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Old 22-06-2008, 19:00   #1 (permalink)
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(I have read the recent Help threads and still would like to start one since I'm including Canon in the D40 vs D80 choice)

New member here. Found this forum while reasearching a beginner DSLR for my family. I'm 59, been shooting film since the '70's. Still have my Nikkormat and my Dad's F1! with a fair assortment of old lenses. Will any of those old Nikkor lenses work on a newer (consumer) Nikon DSLR?

I started out looking at the D40 Costco bundle for price reasons and went to BB to feel cameras yesterday. The D40 VF seemed really cheap and almost fuzzy, especially after picking up the D80! The Canons' felt really cheap and plasticy!

I'm most concerned with picture quality, low noise, and simplicity and have been looking at galleries from different cameras including Canons. It seems like the D80 pictures are softer than the Canons and even the D40?? Do you have to shoot RAW to avoid this?

It seems like some Canon 450si(?) galleries look the sharpest blown up to full rez but maybe the lens makes a huge difference?

And I just realized that I'm across the pond from you guys but i already typed all this

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Old 22-06-2008, 19:20   #2 (permalink)
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Welcome to Pixalo Bob

We have many members from your side of the pond too, and I'm sure that Sotelo will be singing the praises of the D80 soon enough!

If you have Nikkor lenses, they will most likely fit any modern Nikon camera, if they are not too old, but the auto focus and metering will not work. if you are in doubt, take them along to a shop and try them out.

If you are not fussed which way you go regarding makes, the Canon range will give as good results, and it is probably best to get your hands on both makes to see how they feel and how the settings are selected and adjusted. I think this is the most important factor because if the camera does not feel right, you will never get the best from it, no matter how good the specification. It is difficult to judge looking at galleries as you don't know how the pictures were processed and there are so many other factors that will affect images.

Don't dismiss the Nikon D200. the prices are falling with the success of the D300, and they are not a lot dearer than the D80 now.

The D40/40X/60 need to have lenses that have auto focus motors built into the lenses if you want AF. More and more lenses do have this now, but there are also those that do not, so depending on what you are going to use the camera for, it might be a bit limiting. The D80 and D200 have moters in the camera body, so can use any lens.
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Old 22-06-2008, 21:12   #3 (permalink)
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Welcome to Pixalo Bob

We have many members from your side of the pond too, and I'm sure that Sotelo will be singing the praises of the D80 soon enough!

If you have Nikkor lenses, they will most likely fit any modern Nikon camera, if they are not too old, but the auto focus and metering will not work. if you are in doubt, take them along to a shop and try them out.

If you are not fussed which way you go regarding makes, the Canon range will give as good results, and it is probably best to get your hands on both makes to see how they feel and how the settings are selected and adjusted. I think this is the most important factor because if the camera does not feel right, you will never get the best from it, no matter how good the specification. It is difficult to judge looking at galleries as you don't know how the pictures were processed and there are so many other factors that will affect images.

Don't dismiss the Nikon D200. the prices are falling with the success of the D300, and they are not a lot dearer than the D80 now.

The D40/40X/60 need to have lenses that have auto focus motors built into the lenses if you want AF. More and more lenses do have this now, but there are also those that do not, so depending on what you are going to use the camera for, it might be a bit limiting. The D80 and D200 have moters in the camera body, so can use any lens.

Thanks for the welcome!



I did get a feel for cameras at our Best Buy. Not the best place but good for my price range. The Canons really felt cheap; lens, grip, shutter button, etc. The D80 really got my attention with its' build quality but I'm concerned that it's older technology and the D40 could offer better quality with the kit lens'?

Speaking of lenses, I'm being very prudent when looking at galleries to note the lens being used. I have a feeling the included kit lenses are not the greatest and that a good lens on a lesser body could= better overall picture??

Is the D80 kit lens any good (18-135?) I don't want to be fooled by gallery pics, only to be disapointed and having to buy expensive lenses to be happy!

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Old 22-06-2008, 22:10   #4 (permalink)
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I have no insider knowledge, but I would take a D80 over a D40 anytime. For instance, the D40 only has three focus points - the D80 has eleven. The D80 can use any lens, the D40 must have a lens with an AF motor. Newer kit often means stripped out to make it cheaper.

There were some issues with the 18-135 vignetting, but I don't know if they were fixed or if it is to such a small extent it does not matter.

If you are after good build quality - the D200 is a semi-pro camera with a magnesium body and will feel more solid than the D80. In the UK, a D200 is advertised for between 600 and 650, and a D80 around 500.
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Old 23-06-2008, 00:14   #5 (permalink)
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Here are some shots that made me think the D40 could do what I needed.

Nikon | Imaging Products | D40 Sample Images


Look at the boy with the baseball bat. The color and detail is beautiful (to me) This, I believe is with the kit lens and was shot RAW and converted. Does that make a difference? Does everyone shoot RAW all the time fot the best shots?

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I'm most concerned with picture quality, low noise, and simplicity and have been looking at galleries from different cameras including Canons.
In which case, buy a tripod for 50 and a decent lens. Then get a camera that will fit between them.

Actually, if you really want high quality, you still can't find a digital camera under 10,000 that will come close to an old 6x9 film camera with a decent lens and Fuji Velvia.

Still, with all the advertising hype, it's impossible to get people to understand that...

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I've actually seen D200s go for under 600 on ebay and the like from reputable sellers, so I really think it's worth looking in to.

Sejanus whilst I accept what you're saying, we're not all just stupid, and don't realise that a MF film camera will take the higher quality images, but modern cameras, especially the higher end ones are starting to catch up for most purposes, and they offer speed, portability and flexibility that just wasn't available before, so the bashing isn't really necessary...(only after having seen you say this in a few threads)
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I'm sorry you think I'm bashing digital, Jack. I've just counted them up and I own six digital cameras, the oldest of which is a Coolpix 990 that I paid 600 for, back when it was the coolest gadget on the block. However, I also have a dozen film cameras, aquired over many years.

Steelgtr wants quality images and he's hardly new to this game, so what's wrong with reminding him that medium format film offers a more affordable route to that target?

Please, let's not end up like certain other forums (fora?) where a tiny minority spoil it for others by insisting that their limited view of the world is the only correct one - there's room for all sorts here and long may that continue.

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Didn't say that. Despite my age, I've still used (and enjoyed) [albeit 35mm] film, so I'm not one just to say that I'm right because I have no idea.
On the other hand, the TS is implying he's looking to go digital, and makes no mention of MF, although that certainly doesn't mean you're not allowed to suggest it. I just get a feeling that a lot of MF film users tend to take a terribly snooty view about digital cameras, and I don't like to see that as I think they're certainly not poor quality images that you get from them, which sometimes is what comes across.
Apologies if you are not like that, it was just the "it's impossible to get people to understand that..." that I thought seemed a bit hostile.

Anyway, nice to see a different opinion
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Fair enough, Jack, it's all too easy to misunderstand a posting. As long as, like yourself, you're big enough to apologise, there's absolutely no harm done.

To be honest, I find digital perfectly adequate for most purposes these days, especially if you have a C sized sensor with 10MP or above. It's only when you want a 20 x 30 poster for the wall that current affordable kit runs out of steam; but hey, I'm hoping to see a 60MP Graflok back for my Century Graphic any day now!

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Forum posts are easy to get out of context, or get interpreted in a way not intended by the person posting.

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On its own is out of context. I think the poke is at the advertising industry.

As a matter of interest, I've seen an article, supported by pictures that says that once you get over 8MP, digital is better than 35mm film. I think the test pics were taken with 50ASA film v a Canon 20 or 30D. They were of Big Ben and with the clock face enlarged, the grain was worse than the noise!

Once you go over 35mm though, I think digital has along way to go.
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No offence to anyone or anything here, but I always have a little smile to myself when people talk about 'full frame' 35mm being the holy grail of digital photography. I remember when 35mm was regarded as a joke by photographers to whom 'full frame' meant 10" x 8". This tiny format was no good for anything except holiday snaps, and poor ones at that!

As with everything else, it's horses for courses. The 'standard' APS-C DSLR format is plenty good enough for most purposes these days, and is improving all the time - just as 35mm film did. But if you want the ultimate for landscape photography, a 35mm format DSLR may be slightly better, medium format better still, and a nice big wooden view camera will trounce the lot. The burst rate isn't very good though.
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Thanks, Dab, that was the point I was failing to make. I'm really sorry that anyone thought I was indulging in digital bashing.

I wish that the "digital film" project had worked out but that seems to have sunk without trace. Just think, take a 35mm camera, drop the adaptor in the back and off you go. This was a truly brilliant idea that ought to have succeeded. If I wasn't already paranoid, the total failure of the project would be enough to make me believe in "Breakages Limited"

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It is interesting to see that after initially going down the digital back route, which due to their design, for medium and large format cameras was perhaps the obvious one, the manufacturers are now designing cameras specifically for digital use. I think that this will enable more integration between the lens information such as focus and exposure than is possible just with slapping a digital back on what is actually a film camera.

In the future, I think there are enormous strides still to be made that can only be achieved with a dedicated digital unit.
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My new box works just fine. I'll never go back to film. Now for the OP just get back to the store and hold them all. Buy the one that feels best. They will all do a fine job but if it doesn't feel good in your hands you won't use it often.
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