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Old 15-09-2013, 18:57   #1 (permalink)
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Bridge camera please?

Hi

Just ot this mail from my Dad.

"Changing the subject. My camera, Canon S5 is good for what it is but tends to burn out white or light coloured areas of picture. It’s called “light clipping” and seems to be caused by the sensors in the camera not handling the detail. I don’t want anything as big as an SLR or with multiple lenses like Linda’s Olympus E.PL5.5 both of which have bigger sensors.

So I have been looking at bridge cameras again. The Canon SX50 has a massive 50x zoom on it but I don’t think it would be any better with the clipping and has some purple edging to boot. A guy in a shop in Chester recommended the Panasonic Fz200 which seems a good camera but again may not solve my problem. I think maybe there is not a camera on the market that’s compact, with long zoom lens and capable of recording the fine detail I would like.

If you have time to have a look I would be interested in what you think."






Can anyone help, please?





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Old 15-09-2013, 18:58   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Bridge camera please?

My first thought was a Leicas but Dad tells me they are (expensive) panasonics by any other name.
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Re: Bridge camera please?

I think most cameras will not be able to handle the dynamic range that they are presented with. The clipping might be due to exposure issues rather than the sensor. Maybe the answer is to get a camera that will shoot in RAW. This will give more dynamic range and changes (including selective changes) to shadows and highlights can be made after the picture is taken.
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OK

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yep the sensor doesnt cause burn out but the wrong exposure will
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yep the sensor doesnt cause burn out but the wrong exposure will

I think it's happening on auto as well as manual.

How is that the "wrong" exposure?




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I think it's happening on auto as well as manual.

How is that the "wrong" exposure?
It is more likely to happen on auto as in this mode the camera can easily be fooled. If you are shooting a subject with a light background, or a snow scene for instance. Back in the day you would take a meter reading of the darkest and lightest parts of the scene and set the median. You would bias the setting one way or the other depending if there was more sky or ground in your picture.

Modern meters will try to give a balanced exposure, but often don't get it right and using exposure compensation is one way of improving the result.

My full frame D700 will also exhibit this behavior if the dynamic range of the subject exceeds the capabilities of the camera.

There is an adage that you expose for the highlights and let the shadows look after themselves because a burnt out (clipped) highlight is not retrieveable as there is no detail in it at all, where shadow detail can be salvaged.

Composition can also play a part. By composing your picture and ommiting the sky if possible, or ensuring that the subject has the same light on it as the background will help as you are reducing the dynamic range.
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Re: Bridge camera please?

I recently bought a Panasonic Lumix FZ200 but as you might expect its performance is not as good as a full frame DSLR (my main camera). The problem is that scenes where the dynamic range exceeds the dynamic range of the camera, you will get clipping. As others have said, in the past we tend to deal with this by just avoiding clipping highlights and accepting a loss of shadow detail. There are some alternatives in that if you use Raw files, using a good Raw editor (such as Lightroom), you can maximise the information captured by the camera and the FZ200 does offer Raw (in fact I have only ever used Raw from mine). The FZ200 offers another alternative using the JPEG files as it has an HDR mode. Multiple exposures are captured and combined which significantly improved the dynamic range for higher dynamic range scenes. As these camera use an electronic shutter the multiple exposure are captured very quickly. While I prefer to use Raw and thus process multiple exposures myself with specialist HDR software, the on Camera HDR is very effective and may be all that you need. I would suggest that you borrow an FZ200 (thought it is not the only camera with this facility) and give it a try.
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I think this problem exists with most compact and bridge cameras! they just can not handle the highlights, I think it all boils down to understanding light, for instance early morning shots and late afternoon shots, you never get burnt out highlights! when say its dull weather as long as you dont try to photograph the blank sky, the exposures are ok with plenty of detail, you have to be so carefull with exposures when using jpegs its not to bad if you are using raw.....
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Any time there's a scenario with brighter areas in the overall luminance of a scene can get burned highlights (and vice versa with very dark areas) - especially sunrise/sunsets as the sun is much brighter than the fore/mid ground. Exposure compensation will prevent - I use it all the time with my dSLR, P&S (G12) and phone (Samsung)
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Thanks for the replies here and apols for not doing this before.

As stated above I do think he prosumer ( is that a word?) end of this market is notorious for blowing out high lights. Also age is no friend. My old Nikon 5700 was fine for ages but after 4/5 years it started blowing out high lights.....time for a change.

Yes , you can compensate for it. My sister always reckons to under expose a bit and I ve played with light room (3 in my case) to know small adjustments can be made.

Dads gone for th Panasonic FZ20. He seems pleased with it. E were looking at some samples last week and it clearly is still imperfect but he spends a lot of time editing a nd reckons there is nothing there he can't fix. He likes th zoom function which gives potentially 40x telephoto? Its astonishing what it can do.

I'll stay with my D200 thanks. I'm not that into editing but just enjoy taking the shots tweaking horizons and a bit of light in PS LR and PSE4.

Thanks again for the posts.
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"My old Nikon 5700 was fine for ages but after 4/5 years it started blowing out high lights.....time for a change."

This sounds really strange,I don,t think this is right,or is it ?
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"My old Nikon 5700 was fine for ages but after 4/5 years it started blowing out high lights.....time for a change."

This sounds really strange,I don,t think this is right,or is it ?

It's certainly not right but I don't hink its that unusual. I do think these cameras have a finite life..... maybe 4/5 years and reliabilty after that is questionable.

The days when you bought a camer AT 4/5 years old ( I did with an Olympus OM10) and expect to keep it pretty much for life are gone. Hoping for more with the D200.

Happy to be corrected of course.
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It's certainly not right but I don't hink its that unusual. I do think these cameras have a finite life..... maybe 4/5 years and reliabilty after that is questionable.
My Fuji S602z which is 9+ years old gets dragged out every now and then to prove it can still take a pic or two! And my Sigma SD10, 8+ years old, still gets used for IR
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My Fuji S602z which is 9+ years old gets dragged out every now and then to prove it can still take a pic or two! And my Sigma SD10, 8+ years old, still gets used for IR

Great!
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Old 27-09-2013, 14:21   #16 (permalink)

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I TYPE USING CAPITALS DUE TO A DISABILTY

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I HAD A CANON A1, WHICH I HAD FOR 32 YEARS AND WAS STILL TAKING PERFECTLY GOOD PICTURES, WHEN I GAVE IT TO A PIXALO MEMBER RECENTLY, IT WAS STILL AS GOOD AS NEW.
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