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Old 30-01-2008, 14:18   #1 (permalink)
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Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

With the arrival of the Nikon D300, there has been a downturn in prices of second hand Nikon D200's. It has reached such a point that you can now buy 2 second hand D200's for near the same price as a new Nikon D300

So the question has to be, is the D300 worth paying near double the price of a s/h D200 ? Will the majority of photographers really notice any difference in the images they produce between the 2 models ? If so , what ?

Note I started this thread as a means of discussion & not slamming anyone who does buy a D300 .... I would love the camera, but already having the D200 I cannot justify
a) the price difference &
b) the photographic ability to make full use of any difference , to an extent where it makes a difference in my end images

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Old 30-01-2008, 14:29   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

Whilst perhaps not a logical upgrade for a D200 owner, for me with my D50 it makes more sense to go with the D300 than to go for a D200, which is really only a stepping stone to the D300. So yes it would be worth it for me to pay the extra for a D300 at the outset. Otherwise I would end up buying a D200 which would still leave me feeling sure that I would want a D300 down the line. i.e. It would not work out cheaper for me in the long run to buy a D200, as I'd also ending up forking out for a D300 as well!

The features of the D300 which are over + above the D200 which appeal to me are :

More mega pixels!
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Superior noise handling at high ISO's
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Re: Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

the price disparity is probably less to do with the functionality of the respective bodies and more to do with peoples perceptions regarding their value.
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Re: Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

Struggling with that decision at the momentThe d200 is a great camera and with used prices falling is looking like a great bargain.
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Old 30-01-2008, 17:03   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

For those who have a D200 the D300 is not as much of a leap as it is for those of us who have D50/D70s.

I am in the latter group, but you will be better off waiting for the D400, so if you want two bodies, the D200 x 2 route might be the best option.
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Re: Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

The D200 does have one advantage over the D300, other than price ... the down side of (the D300) having more pixels is that you collect larger files ... which I'd notice considerably with either of them
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Re: Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

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The D200 does have one advantage over the D300, other than price ... the down side of (the D300) having more pixels is that you collect larger files ... which I'd notice considerably with either of them
But on the other hand, memory cards and HDD's are getting cheaper..........
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Re: Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

Thanks Graham, I needed a 'pos' to cancel out the 'neg'
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Re: Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

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Thanks Graham, I needed a 'pos' to cancel out the 'neg'


I jumped onto the picstop bandwagon and got two Sandisk Extreme 3 4 gig cards for under 40 inc p&p
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Re: Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

I'm gonna play devil's advocate on this thread, so please don't take anything personally. Hopefully it draws out more debate, that is good for all those considering an upgrade

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& ? Unless printing A2+ prints you'll never notice the difference.

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giving what ?

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Fully agree , although with caveat of a) how often do you need high ISO & b) with decent Noise reduction programs, is it that important in the grand scheme of things ?
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Re: Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

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For those who have a D200 the D300 is not as much of a leap as it is for those of us who have D50/D70s.
Same argument was in place with Canon 30D vs 40D, but the difference here is nearly twice the price of s/h models. I think the argument is same for those with D200 or not, as I could sell my D200 on EBAY & be in same position as someone who has just sold their D40 / D50 / D70 . We would both be there with 1100 / $2200 + in our hands ready to buy a D300, knowing that a second hand D200 is available at approx half the price
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Re: Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

Agree with the more megapixels making little/no difference.

I think the most significant feature of the D300 is the change to CMOS sensor. Canon have been using them for years and few would not give them credit for having superb image reproduction. The new Samsung (and presumably Pentax) have also switched. I've seen it somewhere that CMOS sensors are superior to CCD's in many, if not every department.

As regards to noise, yes you can use a PP app, but surely if you are getting a cleaner image in the first place it must be a better starting point? And if the number of times you need high ISO is not often, You will be thankful for getting the shot on the times you do need it.

How often do you need the 265bhp in the Audi?
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Re: Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

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How often do you need the 265bhp in the Audi?
Touche ..... all the time actually ....but diff here is I've payed about 4K less than the less powerful Audis .... can we say the same for the D300
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Re: Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

I'm gonna play devil's advocate on this thread, so please take everything personally.

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& ? Unless printing A2+ prints you'll never notice the difference.
more cropping possibilities.


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giving what ?
speed, more accurate colour, improved noise profiles to name but a few.


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Fully agree , although with caveat of a) how often do you need high ISO & b) with decent Noise reduction programs, is it that important in the grand scheme of things ?
well, higher iso will give you faster shutter speeds - even on a nice day this could be useful.

As for the noise software, that's all and fine for just a few images but if you've got 400+ wedding photies to process you're likely to be very grateful for a low noise/high iso.
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Re: Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

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As for the noise software, that's all and fine for just a few images but if you've got 400+ wedding photies to process you're likely to be very grateful for a low noise/high iso.
No escaping the fact that a pro / semi pro / super keen enthusiast can justify the difference, as time saved means more profit. For Joe Public though, taking in to account double the price
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Re: Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

I am not suprised at the money thing, the D200, while it is still a great camera, is, in my opinion, overshadowed by the D300.
Nikon appear to have addressed most all of the gripes/probelms users voiced about it and responded with the D300.
You can do all the soul searching you like but, when you sit browsing the review sites, you will soon realise that the D300 is what you want and that it is more than just the headline 2mp upgrade.
I can tell you now, from a personal stand point, I WILL own one this year.
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I can tell you now, from a personal stand point, I WILL own one this year.
& sell again in the same year ?
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Re: Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

It's funny, at least that's one thing in common between Nikon and Canon users that can't be denied.

I'm sure there's a bunch more who are in the same boat in considering the upgrade to a Mark III, 40D, or XSi..

Like Soupdragon, I can say from a personal standpoint, I'll probably be investing in a 40D in the near future. I don't see my XT lasting me too much longer (considering the expected lifespan of the shutter).

The D200 is a very capable SLR. If I was charged with deciding between the two, I'd probably lean towards the better body. You've already got your other body for a backup, and if you're going to put that much cash out, you might as well get something new. Now, if you didn't have any DSLR, I'd probably say go w/ the D200 and instead of a second body, grab some glass.
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Interesting choice of word

Our power of self-delusion is incredible - which illustrates what I said earlier, peoples perception of value dictates the price rather than relative functionality.

p.s. I'm not claiming any moral high ground, gimmie a D300 over a D200 any day
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I jumped onto the picstop bandwagon and got two Sandisk Extreme 3 4 gig cards for under 40 inc p&p
Don't forget if you're planning on getting the D300, that it takes CF cards, not SD.

Would I go for 2x s/h D200's or one brand spanking new D300? Put it this way, I'm not buying any more SD cards
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Don't forget if you're planning on getting the D300, that it takes CF cards, not SD.

Would I go for 2x s/h D200's or one brand spanking new D300? Put it this way, I'm not buying any more SD cards
D200 takes CF cards
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Re: Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

[quote=orangepeel;181847]I'm gonna play devil's advocate on this thread, so please take everything personally.


more cropping possibilities.


Can I join in the Devil's advocate bit please.

12.2 mp = about 4300 * 2800 and 10.2 = 3900 * 2600. ie. about a 10% increase in each dimension. Nothing like the earlier 2 mp increase from 3 to 5 mp in the "old" days. With the same size sensor more pixels = smaller pixels and unless this is better controlled in the camera = more noise. I would rather stick with the 10 mp and uses the newer noise reduction techniques to get decrease the noise more and more.
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Re: Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

One of the valid reasons the Nikon D3 has stayed at 12.8 mp
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Re: Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

Anthraquinone, the D300 addresses the question of noise exceptionally well, I believe, which is one of its strong points.
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Re: Is the Nikon D300 worth 2 x second hand Nikon D200's ??

Theres no disputing the old saying the wider you open the window the more dirt flies in.

This applies to to all forms of electronic circuitry, be it audio or visual. The cunning use of noise reduction and special algorithms does give the illusion of lower noise.

I still look at my early 4m pixel minolta camera pictures and up to 10"x6" enlargements they have perceived less noise than my Canon 8m pixel with the landscape pictures.
Where the 8m pixel Canon comes into its own is with portraiture definition and its noise is acceptable.
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Charlotte.

I realise that I was just wondering how much better it would be if the new processing in the D300 was used on a 10 mp sensor and if that would be better for the end user than the extra 2 mp. I am just not sure how much the 2 mp extra adds.

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I realise that I was just wondering how much better it would be if the new processing in the D300 was used on a 10 mp sensor and if that would be better for the end user than the extra 2 mp. I am just not sure how much the 2 mp extra adds.
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