[asd]

Totally stuck on what to get next, got some live gig stuff to shoot soon and a couple of social gatherings, and some portraits. Hopefully looking to get the 100-400L this year because i dabble a bit now and then in wildlife(ducks ,swans etc) im no andy rouse though! so looking for a zoom that would be of a good focal length. the 24-105 IS f4L is looking good length wise but is f4 too slow for live gigs etc.(would the IS help there?)or should i get the tamron 28-75 2.8 that has been recommended by Steve and work my way up from that. Not deperate for the 100-400 so can put that off for now. Trouble was my first purchase was the L, now ive got the craving, can always sell a kidney or two to fund it.,
tamron 28-200 i have on the 10D hunts a lot so bit warey of going down 3 party sigma/ tamron route. the 17-40 is wide enough for me so looking for something to kick on from the 50mm

cheers Scott

[stepheno]

Hi asd - my twopenneth. I haven't got one (wish-list) but the 100-400 does need good light, and then it's as sharp as a tack. I know you've got the 50mm but I would have thought that would be the best bet providing you can move around. Then you can put your cash towards the 100-400.

Anyway, regarding the other lenses you mentioned I'll let somebody else comment. One other thought - whats high ISO like on the 10D, you can always up it.

[Dave]

Can't comment on Canon Lenses, but another option based on your need for fast lens for Gigs, but need for a zoom for outdoors, might be to go for decent fast glass (f/2.8) normal zoom & then purchase a teleconvertor of either 1.4x or 2x. Although you will lose some stops, it may still be fast enough for outside use ?

[Dave]

Foudn the thread where I was looking at multiple use of 1 lens here :- Does Sigma 150mm Macro work with 2x convertor ?

Although for the Sigma 150mm macro f/2.8, you get a jist of what I'm on about....I hope

[asd]

thanks for the input fellas,the 10D is quite noisy at higher ISO's, compared with 350D/20D, with it being a few years old now, so got to be careful pushing speed up. with the canon100-400 being f4.5 -5.6, what will the IS bring it down to roughly? interesting idea with the converter though

thanks

[Dave]

I've read that IS gives back 2 stops & possibly even 3 stops under hand held conditions. I'm sure the Canon boys with these lenses should be able to verify or not.

[Steve]

IS does work but your mileage will vary depending on the circumstances where it is being used. F4.5 is slow for indoor concert photography and I would guess that the range of the lens would also be wrong if you want anything other than snaps. It will off course depend on where you are in relation to the band/artist. The IS will allow you to reduce camera shake up to the equivalent of 2 stops realistically (possibly 3 stops in some cases) but it will not allow you to freeze the artists movements. What this means is that it is likely that your shots will still be blurred but possibly not due to camera shake. This kind of shot can work in small quantities but will leave you a long way short of having a good overall catalogue of the event.

Unfortunately you will need a fast lens, f.2.8 might work, F1.8 would be better and f1.4 would be ideal, also up the iso and then filter your shots using a noise reduction package (noise ninja or noise reduction pro) during post production. Also remember that concert footage can often be enhanced by a gritty feel and it can add atmosphere too.

HTH

[asd]

sorry steve may of misled you, may only get the 100-400 just for wildlife stuff, so wouldnt use it for concert photography etc, my fault for asking loads of questions at once. had a go with the canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM tonight which isnt too bad, trouble is ive got the "L quality bug, shouldnt of bought the 17-40 first ,as i compare quality to that. not sure the 28-135 is sharp enough for me, would this be fast enough for indoor lowish light stuff though as focal zoom length is quite nice. would rather spend a bit more on L quality now than outgrow other lenses and have to sell them for peanuts in 2 years time

what about Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM Lens (non-IS)
£729.99 from one -stop digital...maybe stick a x2/4 converter on it for wildlife stuff? would this be a viable and wise option

sorry for so many questions again

[stepheno]

That appears to be the eternal question for people wanting longer zoom on a Canon. I bought the 70-300 USM IS a few months back but a viable altenative was the 70-200 that you mentioned with a converter. Bottom line for me was do I want IS or do I want f2.8 on an L lens. I had never had an IS lens and dearly wanted to see whether it was worth all the shouting and in my opinion it is. So I'm glad I got IS and I saved a few hundred.

But....why not buy the 70-200 f2.8 L IS USM



and you'll have the best of all worlds

[asd]

cheers Stepheno,

the 70-200L with IS is just a little out of my price range, only got about £800 budget because the offers on my Contax film kit that im trying to sell from some camera dealers ive contacted is no where near what id thought id get for it , which will fund the new canon lens

the IS would be nice though, if i was professional i would get it, but as im beginner its a bit hard to justify it,..oh i dont know, you really shouldnt be giving me ideas.. he he what about buying one used? or is that not a good idea

cheers scott

[Dave]

You know posting that picture Stepheno will be bordering on Erotica for some Canon users

[stepheno]

Originally Posted by asd

..oh i dont know, you really shouldnt be giving me ideas.. he he what about buying one used? or is that not a good ideacheers scott

The likelyhood of me buying used is inversely proportionate to the value of the item - ie - the more a thing costs the more I want a proper guarantee and warranty. I would probably spend up to about £100 or so on something used.

[Sonsey]

Well I purchased my 100-400L IS used a few months ago and have been very happy with it, I think as long as you do your homework on the particular lens you can take alot of the worry out of it... I will admit I was still a little worried though