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Old 10-08-2007, 14:48   #1 (permalink)
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Budget 70-300 Zoom Lens...

Good afternoon to everyone on this glorious sunny day ( Well in London it is )

I am looking for a cheap 70-300 zoom lens for my Nikon D50 ( funds are tight )

I was looking at the 2 lenses below

Nikon 70-300 F4.5.6 AF G lens.

Sigma APO 70-300 F4.5.6 Macro zoom.

Any thoughts or info from users of the 2 lenses would be most welcome, being a Nikon owner I tend to lean towards the Nikon but the Sigma has macro which could be useful.

Is there much to choose between the optics of both lenses? I think that they are not to different price wise. all advice and info much appreciated

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Re: Budget 70-300 Zoom Lens...

Well, I've been happy enough with the Sigma (non-APO) 70-300mm. Whilst I wouldn't generally take macro with it (not as sharp as my 105mm) the following was taken (mid mobile phone call, so one handed!)

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Re: Budget 70-300 Zoom Lens...

Hi Mark,

Thank you for your quick response, Well no complaints with the macro then.

Was that at 300mm? and how far away were you?

Whats the APO all about then?

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Re: Budget 70-300 Zoom Lens...

I have the APO, and even mark will agree that it is best to go with APO rather than non, just because the APO sorts out certain problems that arose with the original. I wouldn't buy the Nikon G-mount, doesn't get great reviews. I like the Sigma, and it is a good lens for cheap, which never underperforms for me.

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Re: Budget 70-300 Zoom Lens...

Hi Jack,

Thank you very much for that info and the pictures, it's looking like the Sigma then.

How does it handle with the D50? it looks a bigger lens than the Nikon, and does it struggle to focus in lowish light?
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Re: Budget 70-300 Zoom Lens...

I've not used the Nikon (I don't think it would fit on my EOS ) but have used the Sigma and was pleased with it, if I remember correctly you can only select the Macro mode at 300mm and it does 1:2 (half lifesize) with a reasonable working distance. It's a very versatile lens, everything it can do can be done better by something else but you wouldn't get it all for anything like the price of this lens. It's capable of some great results especially given a bit of thought to it's limitations (best to stop it down a little and, obviously use a tripod at the long end if possible.)

IMHO generally, if a Canon or Nikon Lens is a similar price to a Sigma the Sigma will be better. There are a lot of user reviews of this lens on another forum that I'm not allowed to mention, you may want to have a google.

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Re: Budget 70-300 Zoom Lens...

Dan,

Thank you for your input, yes iv'e has a look at the reviews for both lenses and seen some good and some bad reviews for both lenses, though the Nikon seems to go from Brilliant with some people to Total Crap with others, looks like its going to be the Sigma..

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Re: Budget 70-300 Zoom Lens...

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Hi Jack,

Thank you very much for that info and the pictures, it's looking like the Sigma then.

How does it handle with the D50? it looks a bigger lens than the Nikon, and does it struggle to focus in lowish light?
Thanks Jack.

John
It is quite big, when extended, but tbh, it's not a biggie. It's quite light, not the most amazing build quality, but nothing to worry about, metal lens mount too which is a plus. It does hunt a little in low light, but generally this is not a massive problem as long as the thing you are shooting at is in more light than its surroundings, such as with the Grease production shots.

Hope I have given you useful info

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EDIT: FORGOT TO MENTION! The reason you might be seeing some good reviews and some bad is because the quality (IQ) of the lens seems to vary between specimens. It is cheap in the shops (I bought mine in Jessops for £179), and it is important to try your best in the shop (admittedly with limited resources) to try and discern the macro quality at the long end, as this is where the complainers say the images come out 'soft'. I have had no such trouble, but others have, so make sure you check that!

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Re: Budget 70-300 Zoom Lens...

Hi Jack,

Thank you for all of the useful info, I will get the sigma hope to be able to get out over the weekend to go and have a look at one.

I was thinking earlier that I might have a go with the macro setting something that I have never tried before, Marks one handed shot of the dragon fly is quite good considering it's a snatched shot, nice colors.

Jack some nice images in your album, I like them. A blowy thing! not very technical Jack.

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Hi Jack,

Thank you for all of the useful info, I will get the sigma hope to be able to get out over the weekend to go and have a look at one.

I was thinking earlier that I might have a go with the macro setting something that I have never tried before, Marks one handed shot of the dragon fly is quite good considering it's a snatched shot, nice colors.

Jack some nice images in your album, I like them. A blowy thing! not very technical Jack.

Take care
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Good choice methinks, look forward to hearing (shop visit) and seeing (once you buy it ) how you get on. And as for the blowy thing, well, isn't that what everyone says
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Re: Budget 70-300 Zoom Lens...

I've got the Nikon. It's crap. Noisy (physically), slow to focus, hunts like an NRA apologist, softer than a newborns first turd*.

It's cheap tho Mine cost me £45 delivered new.


*From 70-200mm you can go down to F8. Over 200mm you need F11. Larger apertures result in softness.
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Re: Budget 70-300 Zoom Lens...

John,

I reckon that's the right choice, enjoy ...

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I added to your reputation old son..

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Re: Budget 70-300 Zoom Lens...

Thank you Dan I'm sure that I will.

Orangepeel,

Yes I had checked out your review on the site, pretty dire. 45 quid though.

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Jack, Steady now!!!!!
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Yes I had checked out your review on the site, pretty dire. 45 quid though.
heh. forgot I did that after re-reading I appear to have been rather kind.

Couple of months ago I went down to the Farne Islands to shoot the puffins. It was that day which made me decide, finally, the lens was poop.

I'm sure it may well have it's uses for times when things are moving in a generally predicatable path, e.g. motorsports, but these bloody puffins where not only fast, they they came from all angles. I spent a VERY frustrating 30 minutes trying to get a shot. Nexi nada zilch!

I might be being a bit harsh tho. Me mate with his fandango d2xs and supremely creamy 80-200 couldn't get the little buggers either
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heh. forgot I did that after re-reading I appear to have been rather kind.

Couple of months ago I went down to the Farne Islands to shoot the puffins. It was that day which made me decide, finally, the lens was poop.

I'm sure it may well have it's uses for times when things are moving in a generally predicatable path, e.g. motorsports, but these bloody puffins where not only fast, they they came from all angles. I spent a VERY frustrating 30 minutes trying to get a shot. Nexi nada zilch!

I might be being a bit harsh tho. Me mate with his fandango d2xs and supremely creamy 80-200 couldn't get the little buggers either
You were trying to use autofocus on flying puffins?

And some people wonder why I take pics of flying seagulls and dragonflies. Answer: it's all good manual focus practice - for when I need a good shot!
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good point... manual focus on the Nikon is gish. focus ring is too loose and the slightest movement is likely knock it out...
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Here are three ‘Puffin in flight’ photos I took at the Farne Islands a few years ago (Canon 10D and 75-300 IS lens). As you say these little blighters move pretty quick and to get some keepers I had to shoot lots of frames on the day, many of which ended up in the trash.





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u got the "fish in gob" one! that was one we where looking for...

I gave up and joined the crowd on the rocks shooting them sitting down...



out of 200+ frames that was one of the few worth keeping...

Was funny tho. Where we where sitting there was a big crowd of 'togs. As soon as a puffin so much as twitched there was a shutter slap frenzy


this was rossco's keepers...
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Thats a great shot though and I would image it to be very saleable

The same thing happened when we were there, a large group of tog sat around all pointing their cameras at the same birds and as soon as the poor buggers made any movement the whole group of togs would all shoot at exactly the same time, many using flash. Its no wonder the birds move so quick

If you want to see some more of the keepers I got from the trip, they are on the second page in my website Pictualis Photo Gallery | Animals Like you I anded up with a poor ratio of shots taken to keepers..about 50-80 keepers from over 400 shots, mostly due to my persistence of attempting to catch puffins in flight
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v nice collection there

particularly like this: -
Pictualis Photo Gallery | Animals | Puffin-06

Out interest, what time of the year and day where you there? We went early May and iirc where on the island by 11:30am and I don't recall seeing any with dinner for the kids...
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Ahh the 'conductor' as I like to call it It is a bit disappointing that I cropped the tip of his wing but it is still one of my favourite shots from the trip

I have just pulled up the EXIF of the first frame from the day. It states that it was taken on 06/06/04 @ 10.18 am. The particular shot was actually one of some seals basking on the shore of a smaller island that we passed/visited on the way to the puffins, so its likely that we were there around the same time of day as you where albeit a different time of the year?


EDIT. The first puffin shot I took was at 10.40 am
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