[CT]

22 RAW frames - I just checked.

[fingerz]

I've heard a Nikon rattling off frames at a similar speed (some photographer taking pics of a chap outside work one day while I was walking in) and it is indeed pretty impressive. Made me want something more 'pro'.

God bless the recent introduction of 8GB CF cards, that's what I say.

[dazzajl]

you wont necessarily get better shots - you'll just have less excuses for missing 'em

I think that sums up the beast perfectly. Although the lightning fast AF is bloody handy and the 8.5 frames per second Jamey mentioned really boosts your chances with spray and pray stuff.

Really pleased for you that it's comming back so soon. :icon_cool

[CT]

Well 8.5fps is great for action shots/sequences, but just banging off lots of frames at that rate in the hope of getting a good shot is pretty lame really, when you'd probably get a better result with a little anticipation and a lower frame/ buffer rate.

Don't forget either that at 5fps, the 20D is no slouch - it isn't that long ago that pro motor drives costing an arm and leg could only manage that. The frame rate on the 1DMK11N is great but it didn't figure too highly in my decison to get one.

[dazzajl]

but just banging off lots of frames at that rate in the hope of getting a good shot is pretty lame really, when you'd probably get a better result with a little anticipation and a lower frame/ buffer rate.

I know what you're saying and as someone who can spend a day setting up a shot the whole concept of frames per second is a rather strange one....

... but trust me, there will come a day when you're faced with a situation you can't anticipate the start of, just react to and if that situation only lasts half a second or so you'll be glad to have got 3 or 4 cracks at it.

[CT]

Originally Posted by dazzajl

Really pleased for you that it's coming back so soon. :icon_cool

Thanks Daz. The finance co rang on Wednesday to let me know the details of when the 9 months 0% started from. I told them that as far as I was concerned it didn't start till I had a fully working camera, and that if it dragged on too long, I'd be re-considering the whole deal anyway. They said they'd ring WE, so I guess WE have had a right kick up the bum, as they told me they didn't expect stock for some weeks.

Overall I really can't fault WE though.

[CT]

Originally Posted by dazzajl

... but trust me, there will come a day when you're faced with a situation you can't anticipate the start of, just react to and if that situation only lasts half a second or so you'll be glad to have got 3 or 4 cracks at it.

I hear ya.

[fingerz]

Yeah I'm very happy with the 20D's five frames per second. Handy for a lot of things, one of which is when you're at a shutter speed too low for the length of the lens (usually due to poor light) so you fire off five in the hope that one comes out fairly crisp. It tends to work a fair amount of the time, as long as you don't push it with ridiculously low speeds.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by CT

Just had a call from WE. It seems I'm getting the replacement on Monday. :icon_cool

Fingers crossed!

Thats Great news CT

[ASH]

Originally Posted by CT

Well 8.5fps is great for action shots/sequences, but just banging off lots of frames at that rate in the hope of getting a good shot is pretty lame really, when you'd probably get a better result with a little anticipation and a lower frame/ buffer rate.

Don't forget either that at 5fps, the 20D is no slouch - it isn't that long ago that pro motor drives costing an arm and leg could only manage that. The frame rate on the 1DMK11N is great but it didn't figure too highly in my decison to get one.

Hi CT, out of interest why did you choose the 1DMK11N over the 5D?

[CT]

A few reasons really Ash.

Weatherproofing, spot and multi-spot metering, abiltiy to write to CF and SD cards (Imagine the back-up security of that alone) 8.5 fps, with huge buffering capability, 45 point auto focus system which is unbelievably fast. The camera is just awesomely specced overall.

The real advantage of going full frame is for landscape shots, which I don't get much chance to do - my interests are mainly walk around stuff and wildlife. To gain the full frame advantage from wildlife shots I'd have to fill the frame which involves buying extreme tele lenses which cost more than the camera. With the lenses I have for wildlife, I'd just end up cropping more of the shot with a full frame camera so there'd be no gain for me.

Full frame is also very demanding on the quality of your lenses, with some lenses showing fall off in image quality towards the edges and even vignetting when used on a digital full frame camera. My 100-400L for example is a known good performer on a crop sensor camera, but may well start to show it's weaknesses on a full frame camera. Also people complain of image edge distortion with some very wide lenses on a crop sensor and a full frame sensor is only going to highlight the problem more.

Overall, the 5D isn't the ideal camera for me, it's a 20D with a full frame sensor, and it's great value for money, in fact it would have saved me a few bob. If I was still doing weddings I would seriously have had to think about it, and that's the group mainly it will appeal to, and no doubt wean some of them away from medium format.

[ASH]

QUOTE=CT]Full frame is also very demanding on the quality of your lenses, with some lenses showing fall off in image quality towards the edges and even vignetting when used on a digital full frame camera. My 100-400L for example is a known good performer on a crop sensor camera, but may well start to show it's weaknesses on a full frame camera. Also people complain of image edge distortion with some very wide lenses on a crop sensor and a full frame sensor is only going to highlight the problem more.

Yeah I know what you mean as far as full frame being demanding on the quality of your lenses. I'm hoping to start doing some weddings, which is why I decided on the 5D. But I think it's going to be very expensive to find the right lenses to do it justice, which is money I don't have at this time.

[CT]

Originally Posted by ASH

I'm hoping to start doing some weddings, which is why I decided on the 5D. But I think it's going to be very expensive to find the right lenses to do it justice, which is money I don't have at this time.

It doesn't have to be that expensive, I covered my weddings on film with a 28-80 and a 24mm for the larger groups and interior shots.

The only thing I'd say is that once you're charging and you're THE photographer, you need a spare body and a spare flashgun - essentials you can't do without, things have a habit of going wrong just at the wrong moment and paying customers will expect you to have spare kit.

[CT]

Well it arrived at 8am on the dot. I put the battery straight on charge, and I've just formatted both the CF and SD cards without any problem and taken and retreived shots from both cards. :icon_cool

Curious though...

The camera by default creates Folder 100 and shows the number of exposures in that folder. The first camera was showing well over 600 exposures. I didn't notice this for an hour or so, but there was no way at this time that I'd taken more than a couple of dozen exposures .

The replacement body was showing 100/0000. (zero exposures)

Hmmmm.

[dazzajl]

Firstly on getting the beastie back. :icon_cool :icon_cool

As for the frame count, it seems that a new canon body can come out of the box with any number of shots logged. My first 1d body had about 1200 on it and the second one a few hundred.

From what I've heard it can be down to the camera not being reset fully after bench testing or on some, certain versions of firmware carry data in the shot log file.

Aparently, there was a batch of 20d's that showed over 20,000 frames taken.

I'm not sure that I believe either explanation TBH but there was nothing to suggest that either of the bodies I've had were not 100% fresh out of the box.

[CT]

Thanks for that Daz. I thought it might be something like that, presumably they do test the camera.

Fancy picking up a 20D showing 20K exposures!