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Old 30-12-2007, 19:15   #1 (permalink)
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Canon EF 70-200 f4 USM IS

hi all,
This is my first of many questions I will post on the board so bear (or is it bare?) with me!

I am looking for opinions on the above lens. The review setion of the site does not have this as I believe it was only released late last year or maybe even this year.

For me, due to budget, its a choice between this and the Sigma 70-200 f2.8.

It will be a all purpose lens, used from everything to sports shots (Ice hockey, rugby and football) to events, both indoor and out as well as car shows, bike shows, etc.

The thing that appeals about the canon is the weight (700-odd grammes vs 1.2 KG of the sigma) and the fact that the IS means I can use it handheld at 1/15th sec or thereabouts.
The canon 2.8 is just out my price range so its a no go but i would be very very interested to know if anyone has 1st hand experience of the above lens and enlighten me.. or even persuade me to save money and get the non IS!

many thanks in advance!!!
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Old 30-12-2007, 19:41   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Canon EF 70-200 f4 USM IS

Well, I've got the sigma 70-200 f2.8, and am very pleased with it. Not got any experience of the Canon, but I'll bet that the price of the Sigma will allow you to get a Canon 50mm f1.8 too, thus giving you better indoor options.
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Well, I've got the sigma 70-200 f2.8, and am very pleased with it. Not got any experience of the Canon, but I'll bet that the price of the Sigma will allow you to get a Canon 50mm f1.8 too, thus giving you better indoor options.
Thanks for the reply.

I have the 50mm 1.8 already. I should have mentioned my kit - sorry! As well as the nifty fifty , I have a Sigma 70-300 APO DG Macro (which I will sell after I buy this new lens) and a Tamron 28-75mm f2.8, which, in itself is a great lens also.

I am scouring other forums but there is no definitive answer as to which one to get. I would like to get it before Friday as I am attending the National Bike Show at the old GMEX in Manchester, then the following Thursday I am at Autosport International for their press preview day.
I think weight is going to play a major part in my decision, 1.2 kg is more than my little plastic 350D is used to!
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Re: Canon EF 70-200 f4 USM IS

Hi Loafer - the 70-200 f4 is in the review section here and there are three reviews. It is a very good lens but I would have only two caveats. Will f4 give you the scope for indoor shots and I think that you will find 200mm a bit limiting for some sports. You may find you will need a 1.4 or 2x converter. But it is, nevertheless, an excellent lens
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Re: Canon EF 70-200 f4 USM IS

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Hi Loafer - the 70-200 f4 is in the review section here and there are three reviews. It is a very good lens but I would have only two caveats. Will f4 give you the scope for indoor shots and I think that you will find 200mm a bit limiting for some sports. You may find you will need a 1.4 or 2x converter. But it is, nevertheless, an excellent lens
HI Stephano, thanks for the link.

I had looked at it before I posted and was impressed with the revierws given by the members. The review is for the non is version and is a contender but I wanted user opinions on the IS version of the lens.

I think my question is would the IS on a Canon 70-200 f4 outweigh the f2.8 of the Sigma lens?

I just realised also that if i want to benefit from canon's cashback, I should be buying the lens tomorrow latest!

Should have drank less and thought about this more over xmas!
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Re: Canon EF 70-200 f4 USM IS

I've no personal experience of using either lens loafer but as you seem to be intending to use it indoors for moving objects I would personally go with the Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 as the extra stop over the Canon would be invaluable to get that higher shutter speed.
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Re: Canon EF 70-200 f4 USM IS

I've got the EF 70-200mm f4L IS USM and use it most of the time for sports and have used it at Manchester Velodrome, where the light to say the least is bloody awful, very dark. But at f4 with and without flash I got some good reslults. As for cycling outdoors in the sunshine! Lovely
One thing a journalist told me at the track was not to use the IS though, he said shots would be better without it, even in those dull conditions, and he was right. So I generally have it turned off.
Anyway, most of the cycling shots in my PF were taken with it and if you want any more info, just let me know.
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Re: Canon EF 70-200 f4 USM IS

Cheers Sonsey and Whipspeed.

I actually think what it will come down to, now I am thinking logically, will be price.

Its true that the 2.8 will allow me higher shutter speeds and IS isnt really used in sports.
But, at close to 700, even after cashback, is a lot of money and I havent really heard anyone gripe about the f4 Non IS.... yet (wait til i get it and complain! lol)
More and more, I am leaning towards the Non IS model...
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Re: Canon EF 70-200 f4 USM IS

Couple of threads that might be worth a quick read........

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Re: Canon EF 70-200 f4 USM IS

hi loafer,

i use the canon 70-200 f4L (NON IS). i have only really ever used it for motorsport (never had a bother) and airshows where 200mm is too small on occasions. Im afraid i have only used it indoors on a few occasions. if i was changing i'd go for f2.8 before IS, but thats just me!

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Re: Canon EF 70-200 f4 USM IS

Thanks for all the replies guys and girls.
I went and did it! I got the f4 Non-IS version yesterday. Will work oiut as 350 after cashback....
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Also got the Canon 40D too (body only)

I trhought.. why not.. its Christmas!!!
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woohoo! good on ye! you won't be disappointed im sure!
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Congrats on the lens and the 40D!
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It's a brilliant lens, enjoy it.
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Re: Canon EF 70-200 f4 USM IS

A bit late to the party for Loafer but I thought I'd chuck a couple of comments in anyway.

I have the non IS f4 and it's been a great lightweight lens.

When I got my 1D2n in 06 I got a Sigma f2.8 macro at the same time. Generaly well put together and the tripod mount is much better than Canon's.

Unfortunately the rear section came loose after 3 months so it went back to Sigma for tightening up (something I gather is fairly common). The servo tracking then went petetong. Shooting runners head on in portrait orientation, their feet would be in focus but the face not???????

Went back to Sigma twice for recalibration before I complained to my local shop (Park Cameras) who got another unit. This one was even worse, needing at least f5.6 for acceptable focus. I eventually bit the bullet and went for the Canon f2.8IS, which is a cracker.

Having been through these hoops I'd recommend the following.

Canon f4 non IS if the budget is tight.

IS is very handy for lower light non 'sport' stuff so if you have more pennies to spend, go for the f4IS.

If you have some more money and can put up with the weight, get the Canon f2.8 non IS over the Sigma.

If you need (and can afford) the 'best' then the Canon f2.8IS wins hands down.
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Re: Canon EF 70-200 f4 USM IS

Cheers all.. I must say, being a newbie here, I am surprised that the replies were so helpful and FAST! (Do some of you live here?? Hee hee - I am pretty sure I will be now!)
Well I am really happy so far with my purchases. It was ******ing it down today so I didnt want to take the stuff out and ruin it.
The first major outing they will have is going to be The National Motorcycle Show in Manchester on Friday (4th). I am going to post another thread to ask this but: Is anyone else going?
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Re: Canon EF 70-200 f4 USM IS

Your new lens has weather sealing so a bit of rain won't hurt it, likewise the 40D. I am not saying go out in a downpour but a few drops are no big deal.

I only saw this thread a bit too late to offer you advice but I was surprised you were thinking of this lens as an indoor lens as it's a bit long for that unless you are talking indoors in a VERY big room! The 70mm end with your 1.6x equivalence factor is a 122mm lens which is a bit long for portraits and the like unless you can get a fair way back. Your nifty fifty is much better for that type of shot.

You'll love the 70-200mm for sports and wildlife work though, it is a cracking lens. I'd have gone for the IS one myself but you know your needs best so maybe that isn't as important to you.

Looking forward to seeing some of your results

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Your new lens has weather sealing so a bit of rain won't hurt it
Just to clarify, the f4 versions do not have any weather sealing so usual care applies.
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The IS version does so I assumed the non-IS did as well but I stand corrected.
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On the subject of weather sealing, don't forget that you need a filter on the front as well. Canon state this in their bumpf somewhere. You also 'need' a 1 series body for the full weatherproofing thang but I guess that's the next purchase

All my lenses have a filter on them as I'd rather sacrifice a (cheaper) bit of glass in preference to the front of the lens. I also have the hoods for the same reason.
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I think anyone who has ANY lens without a filter on it is asking for trouble! Replacing a filter is way cheaper than replacing a scratched or cracked front element (more likely the whole lens!).

Although obviously the ideal is the 1 series for Canon users, many of us are not in the financial league that can afford that yet so just have to remain an ambition for as long as it takes. Yes, they are fully weather sealed but remember the xxD series are also weather protected to a much better level than the xxxD series. When I do eventually achieve my dream of owning a 1 series camera, it won't be simply to get better weather-sealing

Must say I agree with Mike on the hoods but again, not only for the protection factor. A lens hood makes a huge difference when out in sunlight. Canon know that which is why they charge stupid prices to buy them! I need a new one for my 28-70mm L lens but for that simple bit of black plastic they want 35! It's not a common lens as it was replaced in favour of the 24-70mm L and guess what.... yup, different lens hood!

Anyone knows of one for my camera going for a sensible price, let me know

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Canon know that which is why they charge stupid prices to buy them! I need a new one for my 28-70mm L lens but for that simple bit of black plastic they want 35! It's not a common lens as it was replaced in favour of the 24-70mm L and guess what.... yup, different lens hood!

Anyone knows of one for my camera going for a sensible price, let me know

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Did a google search and found this. The best price online but not sure re availability. E-PLENISH.com online catalogue,
There were other companies offering there abouts too.

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Why spend money?! lol.. kidding but I found this site where you can download hoods for free!!!

How good is that?!
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FAO Rob B

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nice find but another reason I use hoods is to rest my lenses on when changing them. Don't think paper will be up to much!
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nice find but another reason I use hoods is to rest my lenses on when changing them. Don't think paper will be up to much!
Well now your just being fussy!!
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Well now your just being fussy!!
Oh and they're quite handy at gigs. Being at the front, you often end up on the receiving end of the beer / rubbish thrown at the stage so a little extra protection helps.

Hmm having just read that back, perhaps I should review what sort of gigs I go to?
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