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Old 02-08-2009, 19:10   #1 (permalink)
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Canon owners -what would you do ?

OK - this is the scenario. I currently have the following kit -

Canon 40D
Canon 5D

50mm f1.8
24-105mm
100mm f2.8 macro
16-35 f2.8 mkII
100-400mm

I use the 40D and 100-400 for soccer and wildlife. I use the 5D and the rest for landscapes, macros and portraits. Bearing in mind that I don't need to sell anything, the questions are

1 - Would you leave things as they are

2 - Would you sell both cameras and buy a 50D

3 - Would you sell both cameras and buy a 5D Mark 2

I'm happy to review lenses as well but ...I don't want any smart a**e saying buy a 50D and a 5D2 - I'm not made of money. Serious opinions would be welcome since I don't know whether I need two cameras.

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Old 02-08-2009, 19:27   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Canon owners -what would you do ?

1. Maybe. If you're happy with the results you're getting, why change?

2. No. The consensus seems to be that the 50D does not have better IQ than the 40D - if anything the opposite. It just has more pixels which you probably don't need.

3. Maybe, although the main reason for that would be better high-ISO performance, plus HD video if that's of interest. You may as well keep the 40D as a backup, if financially possible.
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1. Maybe. If you're happy with the results you're getting, why change?
That was my first thought.
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Re: Canon owners -what would you do ?

on a serious note, i certainly wouldnt go for hte 50D as all i have read the 40D is a better camera. especially for noise.
I dont see the point in changing anything to be honest if you have what u need and it works for you then the old saying comes to mind.....
"if it aint broke why fix it?"
mind you......... if u get bored with the 100-400mm i cold always suggest a good home for it ok i know u wanted to keep it serious but i couldnt resist! lol
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Re: Canon owners -what would you do ?

Now officially a Canon owner - just bought a G10 - I'm allowed to join in ...

Now who was it who said "upgrade your ability before upgrading your kit"



Although not that familiar with Canon gear, I have heard more neg's than pos's about the 50D, so wouldn't bother with that one.

That leaves the 5DII. Now this one has rave reviews, so might be worth going for.

Only you can decide how badly you want it, or indeed if you'd rather keep your two cameras after all. Have a good hard think, 'cos once they're gone, they're gone
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Re: Canon owners -what would you do ?

I appreciate all replies and this isn't a case of upgrading it's more like consolidating. If I thought I could do with either camera on it's own I would happily sell the other. Trouble is - I go out and say to myself "I'll take the 5D and 16-35 today" then i think "but what if I see some interesting wildlife - I'd better take the 100-400 too".

The hardest is when holidays come up - what to take and what to leave. I sometimes think that Paul was right when getting the Tamron 18-270.
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The hardest is when holidays come up - what to take and what to leave. I sometimes think that Paul was right when getting the Tamron 18-270.


Well, I just go with the 18-270 and the 10-22 and (so far) haven't regretted the decision to lighten the load. But... no good if you want FF and I really don't know what I'd take with a 5D MkII. So the easiest way out of that dilemma (for me) is not to buy one.
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this isn't a case of upgrading it's more like consolidating.
You did make that clear stepheno, I just saw the opportunity to quote your signature-quote back at you, as a joke Childish, I know


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I go out and say to myself "I'll take the 5D and 16-35 today" then i think "but what if I see some interesting wildlife - I'd better take the 100-400 too".
That's where it's handy to have two cameras, so you're not faffing about changing lenses

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The hardest is when holidays come up - what to take and what to leave. I sometimes think that Paul was right when getting the Tamron 18-270.
Super-zooms are great for a walkabout lens, i.e. they're convenient. But you do compromise on quality. However, as you say, it's only for your own use, not selling, so maybe the quality -vs- convenience issue is not a biggie for you.
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Re: Canon owners -what would you do ?

Does my Canon video camera count?

I can see the logic in having a 5DmkII, but I think most of us would value a spare/backup body.

If you current kit is doing what you want - stick with it.
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Re: Canon owners -what would you do ?

I'd add my vote to the keeping things as they are - each camera serves as a backup to the other according to type of shot and a nice spread of lens focal lengths
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Re: Canon owners -what would you do ?

With the 40D your not really out of the picture as for new gimmicks they add to get you to buy new camera's. I have had my 50D 1 week. I think the first thing everyone does is jump in the ISO pool and swim for their lives. I've had noise on all my camera's and the 50D is no exception. It does have an improved range and I can live with it. I also believe the 5D MKII is no exception also. The price dropped just above the 40D so I went ahead and grabbed it. Believe me, it was a thought provoking move as I like the 10 megapixel formats. I believe that video will come out on the 60D if they continue that line. I have been known to take a risk before because I don't worship at the alter of the "internet critique" and I go with my own judgement and uses. I'd keep the 40D and save for the next wave of super size picture cameras to slow down photoshop. You'll have to decide for yourself about the 5D, I feel it is a useful camera for what your using it for.
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Re: Canon owners -what would you do ?

Having tested all the cameras you mentioned and now the owner of a 5D MkII, my advice would be:-

a. The 50D is marginally better than the 40D for most but not all settings but both have noise problems.
b. The 5D has very low noise and produces a much cleaner image than the 40D or 50D and is thus your natural choice for landscapes and portraits.
c. The 5D MkII is a little better than the 5D Mk I but also has a better screen and the excellent displays/menus that you have got used to on the 40D.

So I think to exchange a 5D & 40D for a 50D would be a step down as you would miss the 5D. It sounds to me that your current combination is a good match to your needs. You have the advantage of using the 40D for your sports shots which gets you in closer effectively. I think buying the 5D MK II would have advantages to you but is this just a luxury and would the 400mm be long enough for your sports/wildlife?

Perhaps wait until prices are more favourable.
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Re: Canon owners -what would you do ?

Appreciate your comments Boofers - Dave, your arguments are most compelling and I think most of you are saying keep what I have. Trouble is that doesn't make the loads any lighter
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Re: Canon owners -what would you do ?

Change it all I say Actually sell it all & buy a TVR

Although I have to say I do miss my 5D sometimes
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Jeez Dave u ARE alive then?>??????
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Actually sell it all & buy a TVR
H'mmmm.....
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What! An old codger getting a TVR! Good grief - what next???

You ought to get a sensible four seater with a decent boot - like me.....

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Re: Canon owners -what would you do ?

You have two excellent cameras why would you want to get rid of both for a 50D and be stuck with one The 5D MkII, is the difference between your 5D and the MKII so stunning that it warrants a change, is it going to take much better pics than you do just now ? and once again ending up with one camera.

You have a great choice of lens to work with and no doubt you've saved long and hard to get your collection (unless your a lottery winner )

Personally I think I'd leave things as they are, think a lot of folk get carried along with the train of thought..."oooh! nice new camera, it's got one or two new functions" Does it really have the WOW! factor though.

I'll just stick with my 40D for now, can't afford FF just now anyway.
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It doesn't make the load lighter, but you would miss it if a piece of that load wouldn't be there! Keep it Stepheno. Both camera's serve a different purpose in your photography.
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You have two excellent cameras why would you want to get rid of both for a 50D and be stuck with one The 5D MkII, is the difference between your 5D and the MKII so stunning that it warrants a change, is it going to take much better pics than you do just now ? and once again ending up with one camera.

You have a great choice of lens to work with and no doubt you've saved long and hard to get your collection (unless your a lottery winner )

Personally I think I'd leave things as they are, think a lot of folk get carried along with the train of thought..."oooh! nice new camera, it's got one or two new functions" Does it really have the WOW! factor though.

I'll just stick with my 40D for now, can't afford FF just now anyway.
All that makes sense. It's not that I'm hankering after the next one just whether I can make do with one camera - and if so - which one. The way things are looking thoiugh I'll just stay as I am.

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Here's what I have actually done:

Original kit: 400D, 5D, lens range similar to Stepheno's (except that I swapped my 100-400 for a 300 f4 and a 1.4X converter), plus a G9.

First bought a 50D, with idea that I would then sell off either the 5D or 400D according to results with 50D. Horrible disappointment - the 50D is inferior to the 400D. Cut my losses. p/x'd 50D and upgraded 5D to 5D MkII, but kept 400D for time being as it has peanuts p/x value.

The upgrade is stunning, more than good enough to crop to 400D / 50D (etc) equivalent ... and still have quality to spare. So if you're main priority is one camera, I vote for the 5D MkII as you keep full frame for wide angle.

I hear the 2-body argument, and I usually carried 2 myself in film days, but as I never had problems with the first 5D, I would be optimistic that the 5D MkII is going to be just as solid and reliable.

I'm on the point of telling my little 400D that I have to let her go ... for a few pennies towards a 70-300 DO lens.
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Thanks for that advice
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Here's what I have actually done:

Original kit: 400D, 5D, lens range similar to Stepheno's (except that I swapped my 100-400 for a 300 f4 and a 1.4X converter), plus a G9.

First bought a 50D, with idea that I would then sell off either the 5D or 400D according to results with 50D. Horrible disappointment - the 50D is inferior to the 400D. Cut my losses. p/x'd 50D and upgraded 5D to 5D MkII, but kept 400D for time being as it has peanuts p/x value.

The upgrade is stunning, more than good enough to crop to 400D / 50D (etc) equivalent ... and still have quality to spare. So if you're main priority is one camera, I vote for the 5D MkII as you keep full frame for wide angle.

I hear the 2-body argument, and I usually carried 2 myself in film days, but as I never had problems with the first 5D, I would be optimistic that the 5D MkII is going to be just as solid and reliable.

I'm on the point of telling my little 400D that I have to let her go ... for a few pennies towards a 70-300 DO lens.
I find it hard to argue against the logic here,especially if cropping into a 5D2 image gives the same 'reach' and quality as a DX body.Unless you are after 'as good as it gets' image quality,and that does not seem to be the case,your 5D1 or a 5D2 seems the way to go. [that or a D700 and some choice Nikon lenses ]
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Re: Canon owners -what would you do ?

So that means don't sell anything or change anything. Unless you realy fancy the 5d2 instead of the 5d
From what I'm reading, that is the only camera worth spending your money on.
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Look, Stephen, just go and buy the 5DMkII - you know you will eventually.
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I'm thinking I'm going to use the 100-400 on the 5D for a while and see what difference it will make. Plus I've got three weeks away coming up next week so I'll report back then.
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As one who had almost identical kit to yours Stephen, I will add my 2p worth (but with inflation that comes to....errrr.... 2p )

I had mostly the same lenses as you except I had the 28-70mm instead of the 24-105mm and the 17-40mm instead of the 16-35mm.. I also had the 40D.

I considered a 50D but felt it just wasn't moving me forward enough for the outlay. It was time to take the big step and go up to full-frame. All the reports I read said forget the 50D and go for the 5D2.

I did!

Have I regretted it? No, not for a single second. I sold the 40D which had served me so well: only flogged it because I needed the money to put towards the 5D2. I also sold my 28-70mm in order to get the 24-105mm as I would benefit from the longer range and the IS. Both decisions were good ones in my opinion.

I now have the 24-105mm lens which I love to bits and the Canon 5D MkII which I personally think is a superb camera and definitely a step up even from the 5D MkI despite that being a great camera too. Being able to see the detail on the high res screen, getting such a huge number of pixels that I can happily crop without any worries at all, getting much better dynamic range and of course the greater noise handling, the picture quality is terrific, especially when printing out.

So, what do I recommend? Easy choice of three:

Take a step backwards - sell the 5D and buy the 50D
Stand still - don't sell or buy anything
Take a step forwards - sell the 5D1 and but a 5D2.

Not at all biased, just totally in love with my new baby

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on a serious note, i certainly wouldnt go for hte 50D as all i have read the 40D is a better camera. especially for noise.
I dont see the point in changing anything to be honest if you have what u need and it works for you then the old saying comes to mind.....
"if it aint broke why fix it?"
mind you......... if u get bored with the 100-400mm i cold always suggest a good home for it ok i know u wanted to keep it serious but i couldnt resist! lol

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