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Old 27-01-2009, 09:30   #1 (permalink)
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I guess this may have already been discussed but I went to purchase a new lens at the weekend and could believe the price increases!?! Is it just because of the weak pound or have canon put prices up everywhere? The lens I wanted was about 35% more than when I was looking before christmas!! There's no way I'm paying the new price!
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Old 27-01-2009, 09:38   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Canon prices

Both Canon and Nikon have increased their prices in the last few weeks, and I suspect that the other makers have too.

Weak pound is the culprit.
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Old 27-01-2009, 13:48   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Canon prices

I commented to a friend tha other day this was coming - is it the strong dollar or pound against the yen?
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I commented to a friend tha other day this was coming - is it the strong dollar or pound against the yen?
And reduced out put so they cost more to make i was told
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More price rises to come so I'm told
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And reduced out put so they cost more to make i was told
That doesn't make sense to me Reduced output doesn't make anything more expensive to make per se - only more expensive raw materials or increased overheads would do that. It's more like they have to increase the price per unit to compensate for fewer sales, in order to keep the profits up.
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That doesn't make sense to me Reduced output doesn't make anything more expensive to make per se - only more expensive raw materials or increased overheads would do that. It's more like they have to increase the price per unit to compensate for fewer sales, in order to keep the profits up.
Less output means your fixed cost has to be spread over fewer units - hence higher cost per unit.
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What fixed cost do you mean?
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What fixed cost do you mean?
I'd guess that they would include wages/insurance/rent/lease costs/rates/energy/maintainence contracts/fleet vehicle purchase, maintainence, tax and insurance/pensions/waste disposal/warehousing costs...

I also understand that many japaneese companies also provide subsidised housing for their workers and other family oreintated perks.
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Re: Canon prices

Fixed costs are ones that do not vary with sales or number of items produced. For example, one of the fixed costs of a manufacturer is the rent paid for the factory. The rent is still the same whether they make one item or millions.
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The economy explained ...

SOCIALISM
You have 2 cows.
You give one to your neighbour.

COMMUNISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both and gives you a small amount of milk.

FASCISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both and sells you a small amount of milk.

NAZISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both and shoots you.

BUREAUCRATISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both, shoots one, milks the other, and then throws the milk away.
A report is then commissioned to find out what happened to the milk.

TRADITIONAL CAPITALISM
You have two cows.
You sell one and buy a bull.
Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows.
You sell them and retire on the income.

SURREALISM
You have two giraffes.
The government requires you to take harmonica lessons

AN AMERICAN CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You sell one, and force the other to produce the milk of four cows.
Later, you hire a consultant to analyse why the cow has dropped dead.

ENRON VENTURE CAPITALISM
You have two cows.
You sell three of them to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank, then execute a debt/equity swap with an associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax exemption for five cows.
The milk rights of the six cows are transferred via an intermediary to a Cayman Island Company secretly owned by the majority shareholder who sells the rights to all seven cows back to your listed company. The annual report says the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more. You sell one cow to buy a new president of the United States, leaving you with nine cows. No balance sheet provided with the release.The public then buys back your cows.

A FRENCH CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You go on strike, organise a riot, and block the roads, because you want three cows.

A JAPANESE CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk. You then create a clever cow cartoon image called 'Cowkimon' and market it worldwide.

A GERMAN CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You re-engineer them so they live for 100 years, eat once a month, and milk themselves.

AN ITALIAN CORPORATION
You have two cows, but you don't know where they are.
You decide to have lunch.

A RUSSIAN CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You count them and learn you have five cows.
You count them again and learn you have 42 cows.
You count them again and learn you have 2 cows.
You stop counting cows and open another bottle of vodka.

A SWISS CORPORATION
You have 5000 cows. None of them belong to you.
You charge the owners for storing them.

A CHINESE CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You have 300 people milking them.
You claim that you have full employment, and high bovine productivity.
You arrest the newsman who reported the real situation.

AN INDIAN CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You worship them.

A BRITISH CORPORATION
You have two cows.
Both are mad.

AN IRAQI CORPORATION
Everyone thinks you have lots of cows.
You tell them that you have none.
No-one believes you, so they bomb the **** out of you and invade your country.
You still have no cows, but you consider yourself lucky to be part of a Democracy.

AN AUSTRALIAN CORPORATION
You have two cows.
Business seems pretty good.
You close the office and go for a few beers to celebrate.

A NEW ZEALAND CORPORATION
You have two cows.
The one on the left looks very attractive...



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Had a good laugh at that!
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I'd guess that they would include wages/insurance/rent/lease costs/rates/energy/maintainence contracts/fleet vehicle purchase, maintainence, tax and insurance/pensions/waste disposal/warehousing costs...
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Fixed costs are ones that do not vary with sales or number of items produced. For example, one of the fixed costs of a manufacturer is the rent paid for the factory. The rent is still the same whether they make one item or millions.
These are all overheads (never heard of the term "fixed costs" before) ...

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Reduced output doesn't make anything more expensive to make per se - only more expensive raw materials or increased overheads would do that.
In any event ...

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Less output means your fixed cost has to be spread over fewer units - hence higher cost per unit.
means the same as ...

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... It's more like they have to increase the price per unit to compensate for fewer sales, in order to keep the profits up.

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Re: Canon prices

Rent on the building, staff wages, pensions etc (all the things that Dabs listed) whether you call them overheads or fixed costs still need to be paid irrespective of how many lenses come of the production line. Arguing over the correct term certainly won't reduce those

In addition...
Lower numbers being produced means that the manufacturer doesn't need to buy in as much raw materials and as we all know if you buy (anything) in large quantities then you usually can negotiate bulk discounts. Hence all other things being equal, if they are producing less the cost per item would probably cost more

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Re: Canon prices

I think we're all saying the same thing

The point I was making initially was that it does not necessarily follow that "reduced output so they cost more to make" - there's a bit more to it than that, as we have seen from everyone's comments on the topic, with a lot of if's and buts to consider
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I ordered a new Camera from Dabs about 10 days ago which was out of stock. They have informed me that they expect new stock on the 2nd Feb. Dabs keep reminding me that currently no contract exists between us but will they honour their price at the time I sent the order?

I also ordered new ink for my printer from 7 Day shop 3 weeks ago (which was not shown as out-of-stock) but they did inform me the following day of this. After 3 weeks, I still have no ink and no date for delivery. It seems that low stocks and unavailability will be normal now.
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Here is a Sigma press release on Price rises...I just received it now.

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It’s a very long time since prices in the photo/imaging market increased. Cameras and lenses fell in price until they offered incredibly good value for money. In times of recession it seems counter-intuitive for prices to rise but that’s exactly what is about to happen, mainly due to the currency fluctuations.

In December 2007, the exchange rate between the UK Pound and Japanese Yen was 235. The very weak pound and unusually strong Yen now means that the exchange rate has fallen to below 130 Yen, a devaluation of approximately 40%. Anybody who has recently been on holiday abroad will have noticed that the pound is very weak against the Euro, Dollar and Yen.

Our parent company, the Sigma Corporation, purchases raw materials in Yen and their overheads are therefore inextricably linked to the Yen and so they have been forced, in line with our competitors, to increase our supply price to reflect the exchange rate between the UK pound and the Japanese Yen. Our prices are therefore set to increase on 1st February 2009. Whilst our price increases reflect the international exchange rate movements we have made every effort, wherever possible, to absorb the price rises and minimise extra expense to the customer. Sigma, in line with our competitors, are constantly monitoring the currency market and our prices are directly influenced by exchange rates. We hope that the UK pound makes a recovery against foreign currencies however it is not altogether impossible that further price increases may be forced upon us all.

As retailers strive to beat the price increase deadline, we have seen tremendous growth in sales in January and as a result our warehouse is very low on stock. Whilst the prices of Sigma products will increase on 1st February, it may be possible for customers to purchase from their local retailers at the original prices for a limited period as long as stocks last.

Whilst these price rises are regrettable it is important to note that, as all our competitors are increasing prices to a similar degree, we still retain our reputation for offering top quality products and excellent value for money.
I think that explains it and shows that it will be relevant to all companies.
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Im waiting to buy a Sigma 70-300mm APO lens for my Sony alpha 350. I was in Jessops last week, and they said they are waiting for delivery, have tried again today and still no luck, they are saying they have a number of customers waiting for these to come in, lets hope the price is still the same when they eventually arrive on the shelf.
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Im waiting to buy a Sigma 70-300mm APO lens for my Sony alpha 350. I was in Jessops last week, and they said they are waiting for delivery, have tried again today and still no luck, they are saying they have a number of customers waiting for these to come in, lets hope the price is still the same when they eventually arrive on the shelf.
It's a disadvantage with Sigma: they have their lens factory and switch the production line according to demand - if it makes you feel any better, Sigma camera lenses are at the end of the queue (as so few cameras are made/sold). It was one of the reasons that I, very sadly and not without a lot of subsequent regret, dropped Sigma and changed to Canon. It also explains why, like buses, there are none around when you need a particular lens and then all of sudden there are loads!
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You can still pick up Canon Lens ,Camera bodies etc from various UK outlets who have not passed on Canon's price increases but you will have to be quick!!.
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Im waiting to buy a Sigma 70-300mm APO lens for my Sony alpha 350. I was in Jessops last week, and they said they are waiting for delivery, have tried again today and still no luck, they are saying they have a number of customers waiting for these to come in, lets hope the price is still the same when they eventually arrive on the shelf.

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Tried Park Cameras, like everyone else they all appear to be awaiting delivery
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Thats a pity Kevin.
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Why should we have to pay for the weak pound? Its a pity we cant go into the bank and say I am charging you more for the loan of my money to you, but we cant can we. Most of the problems are the banks fault, have you read in the press that some banks are still paying out a big bonus to the allready fat cats !!!!
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It's a pity isn't it, that the Fat Cats have got so big even to fall through the whopping great "Black hole" they have caused and they never get punished.

I had a letter last week from Barclay's saying that my World Wide travel insurance for me and my wife would not cover me when I reach 70 in July this year. I have had this cover for years at the cost of £ 14 /month through my bank account.There are other benefits such as RAC for the family and a few other useful covers.
I had a follow up phone call from my Barclay's branch saying they were appologising again saying that they had given me plenty of notice so that I may may other arrangements to get cover elsewhere.
I said that this may be a good time to change my bank after being with them for 50 years!!.

Today I received a letter saying that Barclays were very sorry about the age related Holiday insurance and that a mistake had been made and that I will be covered until i'm 80 and that it will not therefor be cancelled in July.

Were they really worried about me withdrawing my bank account ? I think not.
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Well I've still had no explanation from Egg why they blocked my credit card, even though I have paid it off in full every month for last 8 years, without failure. It's been 10 weeks now & they still refuse to give an explanation

Anyway back on subject, a flip side of all these rises are Jessops actually look competitive at the mo
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I'm all for Jessops especially the outlet in Maidenhead.It has a good stock and the staff are knowledgeable about their stock..
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