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Old 15-10-2008, 14:26   #1 (permalink)
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Canon users: 135 f2 L or 70-200 f2.8 L

Help!

Finally I can afford a new lens but I just can't decide which one. It's between the 2 in the title and it will be used mainly for outdoor portraits on a 40D although I hope to pick up a bargain 5D once the 5D mkII has taken over .....

Does anyone have all the answers?

edit: sorry mean 70-200 f2.8 L - dodgy typo there

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Old 15-10-2008, 16:29   #2 (permalink)
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re: Canon users: 135 f2 L or 70-200 f2.8 L

I haven't actually used the current Canon versions of these lenses but have in the FD days and have used the Nikon equvalent. The 135 F2 will be superb on the 5d for what you describe and is an excellent lens on a crop frame body. None the less I'd suggest picking up a 70-200 2.8. It's just such an incredibly useful lens and if in budget should be in anyones kit list. It will do a great job for outdoor portraits but so much more besides.
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Old 15-10-2008, 17:24   #3 (permalink)
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re: Canon users: 135 f2 L or 70-200 f2.8 L

Got to agree with Vinny - the 70-200 f2.8 is amazingly versatile
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re: Canon users: 135 f2 L or 70-200 f2.8 L

Take a look at the wedding shots that SPXXXX gets with the 5D & 70-200 f/2.8 & I think you will find that lens not only allows you to produce stunning portraits, but has the extra flexibility of the focal range.
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Old 15-10-2008, 17:51   #5 (permalink)
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re: Canon users: 135 f2 L or 70-200 f2.8 L

Another vote for the 70-200 f2.8, it's a cracking lens.
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Old 15-10-2008, 17:55   #6 (permalink)
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re: Canon users: 135 f2 L or 70-200 f2.8 L

Thanks guys - I guess the main things going through my head with these 2 is IQ and sadly money.
I can get the 135 f2 L for 569 which I think is really good price. Whereas the 70-200 f2.8 L is 749. I'm thinking maybe saving myself the 180 now and getting the prime and start saving again for the 70-200 f2.8 L IS - the IS version I can get for just under 1100. Is this a sensible route to take? I'm thinking the prime could quite easily co-exist in my collection once I can afford the both? Or is the IS on the 70-200 not worth the extra 350? From what I've seen on the net the IQ on the 135 is stunning and I've always been taught primes are better for portraits - does this not apply so much anymore?
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re: Canon users: 135 f2 L or 70-200 f2.8 L

I currently have both - If given the choice again I'd go for the 70-200 f2.8 L as I never seem to use the 135 f2 L
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re: Canon users: 135 f2 L or 70-200 f2.8 L

I have the IS version (plus the non IS f4) and yes they are damn expensive but very good.

The f2.8 non IS is supposed to be better optically though in the right circumstances, the IS is a real boon. Whether it's worth the extra is another matter entirely.

Of course there is also the f4IS as well, which by all accounts is a belter.
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Re: Canon users: 135 f2 L or 70-300 f2.8 L

I also would go with the 70-200. The 135 is a very nice lens but not as versatile as the 70-200.
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Re: Canon users: 135 f2 L or 70-200 f2.8 L

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From what I've seen on the net the IQ on the 135 is stunning and I've always been taught primes are better for portraits - does this not apply so much anymore?
yes primes are better, but when you get this level of IQ at 100% crop from just the 70-200 F4 L (non IS) at circa 350
http://www.pixalo.com/community/phot...arl-26006.html

It's all according to how important the extra stop is for extra light , from F4 to F2.8. If it's the narrow DOF you want, to blow the background out, then note by moving from 1.6x sensor to FF 5D, the DOF is narrower on F4 with 5D, than F/2.8 on 1/.6x sensor. If that makes sense

I've probably made your choice a bit harder now
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Old 15-10-2008, 19:52   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Canon users: 135 f2 L or 70-200 f2.8 L

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yes primes are better, but when you get this level of IQ at 100% crop from just the 70-200 F4 L (non IS) at circa 350
http://www.pixalo.com/community/phot...arl-26006.html

It's all according to how important the extra stop is for extra light , from F4 to F2.8. If it's the narrow DOF you want, to blow the background out, then note by moving from 1.6x sensor to FF 5D, the DOF is narrower on F4 with 5D, than F/2.8 on 1/.6x sensor. If that makes sense

I've probably made your choice a bit harder now
Yeah thanks for clearing that up for me lol

I have owned the 70-200 f4 before and while I got some really sharp shots I struggled a little if there wasn't a lot of light. Overcast days were a struggle for tack sharp images so I think the extra stop is important as 99% of my shots are handheld. I think my best bet will be to hire both and see which works best for me. Any idea where i can rent in the Nottingham area? Calumet maybe?
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Re: Canon users: 135 f2 L or 70-200 f2.8 L

Why rent. Just buy on line you can have 7 days to try. Buy both and return the one you don't want or even both if you decide you don't want either.
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Re: Canon users: 135 f2 L or 70-200 f2.8 L

I've just clicked the onestop-digital banner and seen I can get the 70-200 2.8 from them for 680. I guess as you guys have their banner on your site you trust them? Also what is the deal with the import tax? I see they will refund VAT but what about any other charges? And what should I expect the total payment to be after I received it on 680 purchase. Sorry for all the questions but I have never bought an expensive from abroad before. Thanks!
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Re: Canon users: 135 f2 L or 70-200 f2.8 L

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I've just clicked the onestop-digital banner and seen I can get the 70-200 2.8 from them for 680. I guess as you guys have their banner on your site you trust them? Also what is the deal with the import tax? I see they will refund VAT but what about any other charges? And what should I expect the total payment to be after I received it on 680 purchase. Sorry for all the questions but I have never bought an expensive from abroad before. Thanks!
Be careful - grey imports are not supported by Canon UK warranties - just a thought
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Re: Canon users: 135 f2 L or 70-200 f2.8 L

I am pretty sure it's the same as Nikon; Digital cameras are not but lenses have international warranties.
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Re: Canon users: 135 f2 L or 70-200 f2.8 L

International warranties for lenses. Have used one-stop about 5 times now & very pleased. Never paid tax, plus they guarantee to pay it, if you do get caught out.

Be aware the advice re 7 day return for online shopping is only applicable to UK only, not HK

Would IS not be more important for you, as it gives equivalent of extra 3 stops ? If shooting subjects that are moving you have to be careful with how slow you can shoot.
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Re: Canon users: 135 f2 L or 70-200 f2.8 L

I have the 70-200 f2.8 L IS and it is a great lens and is very versatile. However, please be aware that it weighs 1.5 Kg so it is very heavy. You may wish to consider whether weight will be an issue for you.
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Would IS not be more important for you, as it gives equivalent of extra 3 stops ? If shooting subjects that are moving you have to be careful with how slow you can shoot.
It would but I just can't make my budget stretch that far unfortunately.
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Re: Canon users: 135 f2 L or 70-200 f2.8 L

Well I plumped for 135L in the end and will give it a try over the weekend. I'll try to post some of the results next week! Thanks for the advice, even though you all told me to go for the 70-200 - but in the end I found a great price for the 135L which made it impossible to walk away from.
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Re: Canon users: 135 f2 L or 70-200 f2.8 L

I've arrived late on this but can say that the 70-200 F/2.8 IS is superb - I used a 135 f/2 and although a great performer found the lack of zoom to be limiting - which may just be that my style dictates using a zoom - that or I'm lazy
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