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Old 04-12-2009, 14:47   #1 (permalink)
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D3X + Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II Lens

I had the chance, testing the new Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II Lens.

Fotunately, the shop had only a D3X body for testing which allowed me to dig deep into the pixels.

As I was hearing this amazing things about this lens, I thought I really take it right to the edge the few moments I had it in my hand.

Wow, it's all I can say.
It's hard to descripe what this lens is able to do. I shot the attached picture at 200mm, 1/20 with no flash and at 100% the face is crips sharp.
I made some with flash and it has of course more punch to it but the quality and detail this lens ( and camera) is able to produce in natural light at vey low shutter speed is amazing.

It really seem like there is a huge improvement with this lens ( I have some experience with the VR model ) and hope to own one soon....

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Old 04-12-2009, 15:17   #2 (permalink)
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Re: D3X + Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II Lens

The only thing though with this lens is that it doesn't actually reach the 200mm, but when doing close up it only goes to about 135mm. There is a lot of commotion about it, and especially the wedding photographers are frustrated. The lens is crisp and very sharp corner to corner but some tests show that when you use it with a tc for example, it doesn't beat the old VRI model.

I wonder actually if there is anybody else on the forum here who has got the lens and what they think.
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Old 04-12-2009, 15:53   #3 (permalink)
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Re: D3X + Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II Lens

Hi Dutchie,

what does that mean that it goes only to 135 when doing close up? I read that it can only focus at around 1M close but considering 200mm at 1 meter I think that's as close you want to get with this lens. Everything is Macro...

Here is a pic with flash... right in the shop... got to test right in the shop D3X, 70-200mm lens and 1Sb800/sb900. They really know how to treat their customers...



Amazing... at 100% ypu are able to count the dust spots on my friends glasses...
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Old 04-12-2009, 16:07   #4 (permalink)
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Re: D3X + Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II Lens

Hi Clafra,

My technical language is not upto scratch yet, so I've copied a bit of the testresult. There are a lot of people who have found the same. Read below.

Relative performance of the VR I and VR II depends greatly on subject distance, aperture, position within the frame, and probably focal length (zoom ring setting). There are few blanket statements which can be made, but one important one that has emerged, is that at 200mm and when wide open, the VR II produces image quality at least as good as the VR I (at long distance), and considerably better at closer subject distances. The improvement offered by the VR II at the closest distances, is enough to overcome the ability of the VR I to sharpen up when stopped down. At moderate distances, results will depend on the chosen aperture. [All of these observations apply to 200mm.]
The VR I exhibits very low "focus breathing" (focal length change with subject distance) at 200mm, whereas the VR II has become somewhat notorious for its focal length shortening, and the consequences of that, at closer subject distances:
Dist.; Focal length
1.27m (closest); 128mm
1.4m; 132mm
2m; 147mm
3m; 164mm
5m; 176mm
10m; 186mm
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Re: D3X + Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II Lens

I feel like you: I just wish I would know what that means....
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Re: D3X + Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II Lens

I've seen photo's taken from the same distance with both lenses. All same settings, both set to 200mm. You could tell that the old lens was a lot closer zoomed into the subject then the new one. You had to crop the photo of the new lens to get the same result. Effectively the new lens has around 135mm zoom and not 200mm.

For when you would take a wedding photo of the couple standing at the altar and your about 10m away, you would not get the close enough result you need for that photo. You would have to get closer to the couple. This is from what i've read.

Basically a zoom lens or even prime of 200mm can have a 10% difference below or above the 200mm. But in this case with this lens it is a lot more. You're paying for a 70-200mm lens, but you're getting a 65-135mm lens.

I wish I could explain it a bit better than this But as mentioned, I would like to hear from others here who have got the lens what they think.
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Re: D3X + Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II Lens

My understanding was the original 70-200mm was released before Nikon produced a full frame dSLR and that it was designed for film and DX. Hence when this lens was used on an FX dslr camera it went soft around the edges. The new 70-200mm has been redesigned with FX in mind - however askin for an extra 500 for 65mm less [if thats the case] is a tad unfair and a bit naughty.
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Re: D3X + Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II Lens

Frank, can you post a crop of the glasses area at 100% as i'm intrigued to see how good the results actually are from the 25mp over what i get from my D3.
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however askin for an extra 500 for 65mm less [if thats the case] is a tad unfair and a bit naughty.
Exactly, that would hold me from buying that lens. 500 extra for less reach is just not on.
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Re: D3X + Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II Lens

Hi Damot,

this is the 100% crop.

Not sure if I did it the proper way but this is the picure, no sharpening at 100% and taken a screenshot with the Mac.


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Exactly, that would hold me from buying that lens.
Apparently, the Sigma 70-200mm f2.8 APO is better on FX than the original Nikon 70-200mm VR for less than half the price. That is if you can cope with no VR anyway. The Nikon is a good lens don't get me wrong, I used one for 15 hrs at the O2 arena the other week tho I felt like my left arm had spent the day in the gym the following morning!! I know 2 pro press photographers that shoot with Nikon and Canon and both use the Sigma version. Maybe a combination of it being cheaper and smaller than the Nikon/Canon eqivs and less expensive to replace!
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Hi Damot,

this is the 100% crop.

Not sure if I did it the proper way but this is the picure, no sharpening at 100% and taken a screenshot with the Mac.
WOW!
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Hi Damot,

this is the 100% crop.

Not sure if I did it the proper way but this is the picure, no sharpening at 100% and taken a screenshot with the Mac.


.... Someone needs a dust and scratch remover on the lense....
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... Ok... Jokes aside... I have "the huge zoom", but not one of these...I just wish I could hold mine still enough to get a shake-free shot to compare..........

That is damn sharp...... I am impressed.....

To be honest, even if it isnt a full 200mm zoom, I am impressed anyway....
If they ever get the same results in a bigger-than-this zoom, as in, a full 200mm or 200+mm, I am goina be thunking along the lines of "I want one".
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Yes the sharpness of this lens is very very good thats just the thing

The only time you would notice the shortness mm on the lens is when you take a close up photo within the 9ft at full zoom. And it is also made for FX now.
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Funny thing is loads of Wedding photographers will upgrade for the MKI to MKII, then apply blurred vignettes to end shots
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That's a good one....
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