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Old 08-06-2006, 10:54   #1 (permalink)
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Example shot taken with Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM

Only had chance to fire off a couple of shots the other night, as sun was setting. Wanted to test the Bokeh on the Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM at f/2.8 & this is the result. Nothing tweaked apart from smallest of sharpening due to resize :-



I think I'm gonna like this lens. Once I have a bit more knowledge I'll post my findings on the Review Database.
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Re: Example shot taken with Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM

Great shot. I did have to look Bokeh up on Google though. My 70-300mm is nowhere near that league for image quality, but then again I've just seen the difference in price of the lenses !!! .
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Re: Example shot taken with Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM

Trust me when I say you haven't seen nothing yet, with some of the kit these guys have got !!.

Saying all of that we have Members on here who have the skills to produce cracking shots from much cheaper gear & even some compacts. Majority of it's down to the Photoghrapher & that's free
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Re: Example shot taken with Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM

Good advert for the qualities of the lens I would say.
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Re: Example shot taken with Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM

Beats me why people go for the canon version (NON IS) when this is available.
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Old 09-06-2006, 09:46   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Example shot taken with Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM

Dod, if you had to show the true capabilities of this lens, for others to see, which would be your choice shot to post here ?
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Re: Example shot taken with Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM

That's a really difficult one

Here's a few recent ones, first a tight shot on the rider, second a pic of the bowser watering the track and the last picking up the action at a corner. People try to say the sigma is slower than the canon but it's good enough to track someone coming towards you at 40-50 MPH literally a few feet from you.

On the full size of the first one you can actually see the stitching on the riders jersey.

There are a couple of things I don't like about the lens. The matt finish seems to grab dirt and isn't easy to clean, not a problem for a lot of people possibly but mine is literally showered with mud regularly and it shows. The zoom ring goes in the opposite direction to my other lenses which I occasionally forget. It doesn't have weather proofing. Even taking those points into consideration I still think it offers fantastic value and the only one I'd consider changing it for would be the canon 70-200 IS, but ONLY for the weatherproofing, not image quality.





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Re: Example shot taken with Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM

Excellent shots DOd & good write up. Well if you can capture shots like that in those conditions, with the objects moving that fast, then I'm a happy bunny with mine. All said though, I expect it takes a bit of skill & practice to capture fast moving bikes.......I struggled with the dog running towards me ...LOL.

If you ever get chance I'm sure like others I would appreciate you sharing how to shoot fast sports like MotoX in the Tutorials section. I'm OK with panning , but can't suss objects coming towards me too well. I won't go into it further here, I'll add it to the dedicated thread if you take up the offer
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Re: Example shot taken with Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM

WOW Dod , those are very impressive shots !!!! Would definitely like to hear how you achieve focusing like that, as per Daves comment.

Not sure about all that mud on the camera though. That would kill me
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If you ever get chance I'm sure like others I would appreciate you sharing how to shoot fast sports like MotoX in the Tutorials section. I'm OK with panning , but can't suss objects coming towards me too well. I won't go into it further here, I'll add it to the dedicated thread if you take up the offer
Sorry Dave, just noticed this.

I'm really not sure how to approach it, I wouldn't put myself forward as an expert any way. But I will give it a bit of thought and try to post something over the next day or so.

Had a full day again yesterday, burnt to a frazzle, the sigma never came off the camera, it really is a great lens, I love it Here's a couple I posted elsewhere.





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Re: Example shot taken with Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM

Excellent as always Dod. Really like the last one, as so different from mainstream shots. Have you managed to start making money out of your photos to date, as the quality of shots wouldn't go a miss in Mags etc ?
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Re: Example shot taken with Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM

As usual dod, these really capture the excitement of this sport.

What is your success rate, number of shots vs number of keepers?
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Have you managed to start making money out of your photos to date, as the quality of shots wouldn't go a miss in Mags etc ?
A small amount, best order has been for about £50 from one proud mum I havenít really tried the mags, usually theyíre looking for editorial as well and having seen the quality Iím not sure my report writing skills are adequate.

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Interesting question. Suppose the set up would help first. With the 20D I used AI focus, partial metering, single shot. If you can see the rider track with him and pause when you want to take the shot, thereís a better one a fraction of a second later, really let them come into the frame. If you canít see the rider listen for the bike, pre-focus the crest and get ready for him to appear. Iíve usually got the camera to my eye but both eyes open in case theyíre just out of the viewfinder.

Partial metering is my preference as it biases the exposure on about the centre 12% of the frame. Usually the rider fills that portion so the exposure ďshouldĒ be there or there abouts. The reflections from the clothing and bikes usually fool the meter though so Iíve got 1/3 to 2/3 stops overexposure dialled in constantly. The 1D MkII is noticeably more consistent in producing well exposed jpegs. I use jpeg simply because of the number of shots involved. Sharpness, saturation in the parameters set to 0 as Iíll batch them in PSCS later.

Yesterday, because it was new camera to me I set it up for the 8 FPS and started shooting. The speed this thing rattles out frames is scary. I was taking 3 or 4 shots where normally Iíd have taken one, partly because of the speed but also because the shutter button is more sensitive. Quickly set it back to one shot and began to trust my judgement again.

Taking yesterday, almost 2000 frames shot, on first run through Iíd say Iíve deleted about 50-75 where there was either a focus or framing problem i.e. the focus was on the back of the bike or I didnít track quickly enough and got the back wheel, or nothing . The rider may also have taken a different line from the normal and I havenít been quick enough to catch them.

Beyond that Iíd say there are maybe about 20% where Iím not that happy with composition, 5% where the exposureís going to need tweaked.

So, to finally answer the question Steve Iíd say the keep rate for reasonably well framed, well exposed shots in focus is somewhere between 60-70% although as far as purely technically competent shots is concerned itís probably up around 90%. Iíd say thatís moved from about 85% with the 20D.
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Re: Example shot taken with Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM

Thanks for the reply Dod, to be honest with you I am quite suprised at your success rate, I would have expected it to be much lower.

I guess with practice it has improved and this is a subject I know that you have shot many times

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Re: Example shot taken with Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM

That is an impressive capture rate. I struggle to get to that % with static objects

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Re: Example shot taken with Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM

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Bear in mind that even with the 60% just because they may be okay technically they're not necessarily good photos, they might lack the feeling of motion, lighting conditions could be flat/poor etc. They are however good enough that the riders want to see them. It's strange actually, a number of these guys have rating systems and shots that I think are rubbish get 10/10 and ones I like get 4's

If I get the chance later I'll post a couple of quick shots of part of the track and a couple of the pics taken while standing at different spots just to show the difference it makes.
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Bear in mind that even with the 60% just because they may be okay technically they're not necessarily good photos, they might lack the feeling of motion, lighting conditions could be flat/poor etc. They are however good enough that the riders want to see them. It's strange actually, a number of these guys have rating systems and shots that I think are rubbish get 10/10 and ones I like get 4's
That's the way it always goes, different folks like different shots.

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If I get the chance later I'll post a couple of quick shots of part of the track and a couple of the pics taken while standing at different spots just to show the difference it makes.
I would be interested in that if you get time
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Better late than never

Marked up a quick shot of the course from the top, 1 to 7.
1 is a bad location, you get the tower in the background which is a bit ugly.
2 is directly opposite and gives you a half decent background
3 lets you catch them coming round the berm, lots of mud
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Re: Example shot taken with Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM

5 lets you catch them coming down the hill or just going up, occasional wheelies which they like
6 can be good, the tail often hands out throwing up mud, not on sunday though
7 is a bit of a cheat, I'm actually on the other side of the track to get the first corner shot, the "holeshot", much prized, and that's about it. Behind where I took the shot of the track there are another couple of jumps and berms but I've not included them here.

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Thanks for that Dod. Your shots are superb & the extra info above makes me want to go out & try it.
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That's excellent Dod. Thanks for taking the time to knock that up. I'm going to cut & paste some of this into a dedciated thread in the Tutorials section to ensure others can find it & benefit from it long term
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Thanks for all the above info Dod. Great shots btw. Have added some rep points . Well I think I have done it right ?
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Good point. Some gold stars from me too !!
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Thanks for that Dod. Your shots are superb & the extra info above makes me want to go out & try it.
You should, it takes a while for them to get to know you, and you them, but they're a great bunch when you do start to get in with them. We do have a wee bit of fun as well, this guy is actually one of the contenders to be the Scottish champ this year

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Sorry dod, I'm a little late to the party but i would like to thank you for this great write up.

I'll also add a coment on your processing as you have a new monitor and asked for feedback. Overall they are great but comparred to your previous stuff the reds seem much more prominant (almost illuminated) and your blues are a little lacking. While not scientific, thats the impression I get
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I'll also add a coment on your processing as you have a new monitor and asked for feedback. Overall they are great but comparred to your previous stuff the reds seem much more prominant (almost illuminated) and your blues are a little lacking. While not scientific, thats the impression I get
Thanks for the observation, interesting. I found this in a review at photonotes, might be relevant

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I also find the Canon EOS 1D Mark II to be very sensitive to very bright red. Be careful not to run the histogram too far to the right with a red subject.
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Did you ever find that issue with your previous camera, I find it all the time with both the 10D and the 20D.
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Re: Example shot taken with Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM

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Did you ever find that issue with your previous camera, I find it all the time with both the 10D and the 20D.
Not as far as I can tell. To the best of my knowledge I'm doing everything the same, if there's any foundation in the quote above it would seem to be something to do with the way the sensor reacts to, or the camera processes red objects
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