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Old 25-02-2009, 22:55   #1 (permalink)
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Filter Kit question from a plonker

Been thinking about trying nd grads but to be honest i'm totally unsure of what I need to get started. Lenses I have are kit lens canon 17-85 IS which has a 67mm filter thread, 100-400L which has a 77mm filter thread and 50mm with 52mm thread. Do you get a adapter for whatever size of lens you are going to use, screw it in then connect a filter holder to it? I've probably got that all wrong.

I think at the moment the filters would be used mostly on the 17-85 lens as I want to do landscape/seascape, (don't know if they get much use on a 100-400) but I havent a clue what to get to start with. A 0.3 0.6 and 0.9 seem to be popular starting choices.

I don't mind spending up to a couple of hundred quid, not much more, less is better.
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Old 25-02-2009, 23:25   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Filter Kit question from a plonker

One solution is to get a filter holder with an adaptor to fit your biggest lens and use step down rings to fit it to the smaller lenses. However, they are not dear, so you could have a filter holder and fitting ring for all of your lenses.

Grads are mainly a landscape tool, so you are right to say that you are unlikely to use them on the telephoto. If you work on getting the filters for the 17-85 you need to check which size you need. 'A' or 'P'. The P size is bigger, and even if the A size will suit your 17-85, if you think you might eventually get a wide angle lens, you will be better off getting the P size in the first instance.

The filter holders hold up to three filters, but for very wide ange (10mm) you will probably have to cut off the outer two to avoid the holder causing vignetting.

I've used SRB-Gitram for a long time now and they do ND kits that are very good. The use Kood filter holders that are OK, but have a stupid lens hood. Their own brand filters are Hi-Tek

They are very good on the phone and will give you good advice.

You will need a filter holder, an adaptor ring and they do a set of four ND grads.
You should be up and running for about £50-60 using the P size.

There are also soft transition and hard transition grads. Go for the soft ones for wide/normal/short telephoto lenses.
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Re: Filter Kit question from a plonker

You won't need to spend that much Chilliman

You can get a Cokin ND Grad filter kit at Fotosense (where I got mine), comprising:
P-Series Filter Holder
P121L Gradual Grey G2 Light (NDx2) Filter
P121M Gradual Grey G2 Medium (NDx4) Filter
P121S Gradual Grey G2 Soft (NDx8) Filter
for just under £40

Then you just need adapter rings, sizes 52mm, 67mm and 77mm ... you can shop around for these yourself (around £5 each)

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While I was holding this thread open in another tab (window), Graham replied

Just to add that there's no need to cut your filter holder, you can get a separate single-filter holder especially made for wide angle lenses, I think I got mine from Fotosense
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Re: Filter Kit question from a plonker

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.....but I havent a clue what to get to start with. A 0.3 0.6 and 0.9 seem to be popular starting choices.

I don't mind spending up to a couple of hundred quid, not much more, less is better.....
From the densities you’ve mentioned, it sounds like your looking at Lee Filters. You can buy the three Grad filters as a set, but you would also need a filter holder and adapter rings. Lee are not cheap and this would set you back about 200 quid.
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Re: Filter Kit question from a plonker

+1 on the lee's. seriously. save your money and invest in the lee's. they are on a different planet of excellence from the cokins.

I'd sell you my old cokins but I wouldn't inflict them on my worst enemy. The have a colour cast problem evident even with a single grad and you can simply forget stacking them.

Here's two shots one taken with a Cokin ND8 and the second with a Lee .9ND

Try to view em by switching between them quickly. You should notice the Cokin has a purple cast along the top half of the image.

http://www.orangepeels.nildram.co.uk..._COKIN-ND8.jpg

http://www.orangepeels.nildram.co.uk...F_LEE-.9ND.jpg
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Old 26-02-2009, 21:30   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Filter Kit question from a plonker

Must admit, I hardly use my (Cokin) filters.

What I do like about the Lee filter system is that the filter holder comes in component form which you can customise to add the required number of filter guides, depending on how many filters you want to use at a time.

Lee filters are expensive, and they are an investment ... but only if you are going to give them good use!

If you're a beginner with filters, it's a good idea to give some thought to if/how/when you are likely to use them before choosing which system to go for. Put it this way, I'd rather spend £40 on Cokin filters if they're going to end up being left unused in the cupboard than spend £200 on Lee filters if they're going to end up being left unused in the cupboard.

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Re: Filter Kit question from a plonker

Thanks everyone who replied, I'm a lot clearer now on what I'm going for. I'm leaning towards the Lee filters. I'd rather go for the better brand first time, I don't believe in buying the cheaper brands just to see if I'll like it then upgrade to the dearer ones...does that make sense ? Anyways if I find they never get used I should'nt have a problem selling them. Orangepeel the two sample pics were great, I could see the cast you were talking about.

Wonder if somewhere can deliver by Tues morning or earlier, A few phone calls in the morning maybe. Got a few days down Whitby way next week.
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Re: Filter Kit question from a plonker

Lee's can be a bit hard to find.

Got mine from Teamwork Digital Ltd
but there's also Robert White
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You want the 100mm Resin Filter ND's. You can get a starter kit of 3 filters consiting of an .3ND, .6ND and a .9ND - There is no colour cast issues with stacking all three of those grads. You get the grads in soft or hard. This describes how the filter fades to clear. Hard grads are good for seascape stuff where you have a flat horizon while the soft grads are good for situations where the horizon is not flat.

You'll also need a filter holder and an adapter ring. There's two kinds of ring, normal and wide-angle. I'd consider getting the wide-angle one if I was you. On my sigma 18-50 I get vignetting with a wa adapter sitting on top of a UV filter so I can't see the normal adapter being any better. Obviously your lens will be different.

p.s. you might wanna try calumet - there's a store down leith walk which might have stocks which you could try.
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Re: Filter Kit question from a plonker

Ok Thanks guys I'm gonna blame you lot when the missus finds out. I've took the plunge with Teamwork digital, seems they have a good reputation from what I see on other forums.
Went for the lee digital starter kit, a 0.3 & 0.9 resin nd grads 0.6 incl with kit. 2 adapter rings. Looking foward to trying them out.
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Have fun Chilliman
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Re: Filter Kit question from a plonker

Getting blind as a bat, got a message back from teamwork digital, Card Declined. I put the wrong expiry date on the order form on Friday. Too late to rectify it until this morning. Doh! Hope it arrives tomorrow morning cos I'm off to Yorkshire Moors for a few days. Must remember to wear my specs more often
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Worth thinking about after seeing OP images [above], cheers guys.
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all i want for christmas is a cokin circular polariser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Here's where i got mine Fiona not Cokin but Hoyahttp://http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk...34Q2ec0Q2em322
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Here's where i got mine Fiona not Cokin but Hoyahttp://http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk...34Q2ec0Q2em322
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Whassat then?....

I have a couple of Cokin filters, left over from 35mil camera days, inherited from my Dad, and I was happy to find the holder fits nicely over the lenses on my DSLR, there are a couple of polarisers in there, but whats the difference to a Circular one?...
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Re: Filter Kit question from a plonker

Due to the way dSLRs work (or more specifically, Autofocus) a Linear Polariser may cause probs (I've one I occasionally use - but using MF). Circular Polarisers don't conflict with the AF
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Due to the way dSLRs work (or more specifically, Autofocus) a Linear Polariser may cause probs (I've one I occasionally use - but using MF). Circular Polarisers don't conflict with the AF
AHHHHH!!! (ping....lightbulb moment.....)

Then what I have are Linear ones....(and yes, I also use MF when using them..or AF, line up the shot, and slide in filter before I shoot...)
I have to turn the filter (Housing) to get the correct polarization.... so Circular ones you dont need to turn?... it all makes sense now....
Hmmm.... yes.... I can see that would be a bonus... but I have to also admit that I use the variability of the linear ones I have to alter the effect I get....
I suppose it would be what you are used to and what changes would make it easier... do the circular ones come in various "Strengths" to alter the effect?....
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.... so Circular ones you dont need to turn?...
You do need to turn them, but the mount is split so that the part that screws into the lens is fixed, and the part that holds one of the elements turns.

Only thing to watch is that if you keep turning the outer in the same way you might end up not being able to release it! Trick is to lubricate the thread with a soft pencil and don't overdo the tightening. Get some filter wrenches too, just in case!
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Re: Filter Kit question from a plonker

Chiliman, I was searching for filter kits and came across this thread. I was just wondering what you bought and how you found them? I'm looking for some soonish.
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