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Old 13-08-2006, 10:36   #1 (permalink)
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Hi

I need clarification please. I`ve got a lens or two and I`ve bought a couple of clear filters to protect the lens as recommended by the guy I bought the stuff from. But. What is the difference between, for example: a £2.99 clear filter from an online store and a £30 clear filter from a high street shop. Same question for other filters such as a CPL (£10.00 unbranded - online) and 5x as much for a branded version from the high street.

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Old 13-08-2006, 12:05   #2 (permalink)
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Part of the difference is probably the shop's markup. But if you're lucky, with the more expensive filters you also get better coatings, which in turn should give you less flare and better contrast..
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Old 13-08-2006, 12:23   #3 (permalink)
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Even if it`s just a clear UV??
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Old 13-08-2006, 14:28   #4 (permalink)
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Andy, I assume by "clear" you're in fact referring to a skylight filter, also known as UV?

Yes, even a clear UV, the better ones are multi-coated, and it does make a difference, and the known brands are of a higher quality glass. You do get what you pay for; I tend to get mine off the auction sites, or from the international online companies, rather than the high street shops.

Same applies to CPL, although of course, they're not multicoated!
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Yup I mean UV. I bought 2 1 from ebay at 3.99 and another from the high street at £27.99 ... and they look the same to my (new to photography) eye.. ditto for CPL
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As said above. If you buy shop brand it could be made anywhere but if you stick to quality brands you will pay more. I use Hoya (blue label, better than green lanel) and there Pro CP is about £75. With any glass you do pay for quality - don't buy filters off Ebay unless it is a know respected brand.
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Andy, I assume by "clear" you're in fact referring to a skylight filter, also known as UV?
Skylight & Uv filters are NOT the same but both are used by many people for lens protection
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whats the difference??

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UV filters absorb UV light and are clear glass. Skylight filters are colored glass and usually have a touch of pink. In addition to absorbing UV light, the pinkish color of a Skylight filter can also counter the excessive blue color of the sky in a sunny day, and produce a warmish tone.
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Thanks for spotting my mistake Toonie!
Always helps to check the typing before hitting the post button! Somehow the word mistakenly got deleted before the "known as UV" !!!!

The skylight also comes in two strengths, 1A and 1B.

Stepheno, by ProCP do you mean the HMC Super (black label) series? Or is there a fourth range?
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Pro 1 series - examples here . Not cheap
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S'pose for the sake of completeness, worth also mentioning quality of glass, accurate alignment in holder, thickness/size filter.

Personally, cheap and cheerful does me as lenses not that great, usually filthy and pics not worth the pixels!
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Stepheno, it's all relative after all, if you guys spend 3-4 figures on a lens for a quality product, why then only spend pittance on a filter that negatively influences the outcome of the picture?!!!
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This threadl answers one of my questions nicely too. I was also persuaded to buy a UV filter to protect the lens, which I understand but I couldn't understand why the chap in the shop said it would improve the pictures...now I do!
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would be interesting to do a "pepsi challenge" with different cost levels of filter. I bet few of us could spot the difference.
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I stick with Hoya for my 'protection' filters.

The cheapy vs quality argument is not one that can be balanced without giving details of the level of lens quality that it will be used with. If you are using lenses from the entry level market then a cheap filter will probably be suitable, on saying that the cost of replacing those types of lens (if you damaged them) would not be that much different to the cost of buying a reasonable quality filter to protect it, so it may be worth just not using a UV filter and that way you have less chance of degrading the quality by forcing the image through another layer of glass.

For the more expensive lenses, most people will want to protect their investment while at the same time not degrading the quality, this is were the expensive filters market has come from. There is no point spending £100's if not £1000's on a lens to then put a £2.99 UV filter in front and introduce distortion and flare.

Circular polarizers are a whole different area, besides the quality the cheaper ones tend to block out much more light as well. That’s fine if you are shooting on a very bright day or are using a tripod but if not and you lose possibly 3 or 4 stops of light due to your filter it can mean the difference between getting and missing a shot.

Not too long ago Dixons (yes the high street retailer) messed up big style with their filter prices and although they didn't stock a big range I managed to pick up both CP and UV filters for all my lenses at a fraction of the cost they would have been normally (even through online and EBAY).

From memory I paid £27 for 77mm Hoya CP filter and under a 10 for the same size UV.

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My argument against filters, of them being fiddly and a a pain was brought home to me recently: that CP on Pen y Fan is mine! OK?!

I wonder how much longer I'll get away with asking people to come 'togging with me, in order to borrow their CP! LOL!
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Mark nailed it earlier in the thread when he mentioned glass. Cheap filters are resin, optical resin, but resin nevertheless. This is the sort of stuff that glasses are made from. It is light and tough, and I've got loads of cokin resin filters that have served me well over the years. Maybe it's because they tend to be mounted further away from the lens in the Cokin system mount, thus any slight imperfections are not in focus, or have too much of an effect. Other factors are indeed the coatings and quality of mounts.

I believe that glass is better, but is probably a bit more fragile.
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