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Old 10-09-2007, 23:19   #1 (permalink)
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Which general purpose lens for a 1D MkIII ?

Hi, I am a surf photographer who normally hides far from the subject behind a 600mm lens (I started 3 years ago from scratch but am learning fast!). I have though on the odd occasion taken family portraits on the beach for which I used an EF-S17-85mm IS lens on my 20D body.

I have recently upgraded to a 1D MkIII () and the 17-85 lens will not fit the body so I need a replacement. Whilst the purist will frown at my use of a zoom lens I find this helpful for these shots as I follow the family around the beach as they play and pose and I don't often have time to position my self to catch a particular moment.

It would be great if I could have suggestions as to a money is no object Canon solution and also if there is a Sigma/Tamron solution that I could also consider that will give good results.

Oh I forgot to mention - I would also like to start taking land/seascape photos to sell as postcards and prints, would I be able to use the same lens as above? I would also like to photograph my wife's paintings to reproduce on cards (up to 1m x 1m) would the 50mm F1.8 budget lens be the best bet for this (the 17-85mm lens tends to distort the frames).

Sorry if this is a bit of a big subject, but I look forward to any help/suggestions/input.
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Re: Which general purpose lens for a 1D MkIII ?

For a direct replacement for the 17-85 I'd go for the Canon EF24-105L IS f/4... good range, L glass quality and image stabilisation make up a very nice package.

Whether it'd be wide enough for landscapes is something you'd have to decide, the 1.3x crop factor makes it roughly a 31-32mm equivalent lens which probably isn't ideal but may well suffice (*note* It would be about 4-5mm less wide than your 17-85 was on your 20D).

If that's not wide enough I would take a look at the Canon 17-40L f/4, you'd lose alot of the zoom but it would certainly be wide enough on the 1D.

I'll let others tackle the 50mm f/1.8 question, as although I think it would probably suffice I'm not really sure how much distortion it produces.

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Old 11-09-2007, 23:20   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Which general purpose lens for a 1D MkIII ?

Thanks Iain. I thought that these would be the main suspects. Do you have any experience/observations with the EF24-70mm f2.8 L? Any feedback from anyone on equivalent Sigma lenses would also be much appreciated.

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Re: Which general purpose lens for a 1D MkIII ?

I was going to suggest the Canon 24-70 2.8L........only because I own one which was my first lens when I purchased a 1DMKII. Excellent lens.

I have a pro friend who also owns and loves the 24-70 but has recently purchased the 24-105L IS f4........he thinks this is an incredible lens, finding it difficult to choose between this and the 24-70 2.8L.

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Re: Which general purpose lens for a 1D MkIII ?

Nikon user here, so I can't answer any Canon-specific questions, but I do have the answer to one of your questions The nifty fifty, 50mm 1.8 doesn't produce any distortion, and would be an excellent lens to photograph your wife's paintings IMO. BTW welcome to pixalo
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Re: Which general purpose lens for a 1D MkIII ?

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Do you have any experience/observations with the EF24-70mm f2.8 L?
I've no personal experience with it but my observations follow P-E's reply above, very good lens, great quality, built like a tank, many happy owners etc... TBH your best bet would be to drop into a shop with your camera in hand and try them both to see which you prefer on the body, then fire off a few shots and take the results home to check over before making your decision.
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Re: Which general purpose lens for a 1D MkIII ?

Many thanks for the further comments. I feel a bit guilty trying lenses in the shop when I know that I will almost certainly end up buying on the internet. Having said that living in Cornwall it is often the case that the shops around here have a limited selection.

As a matter of interest does anyone know the overall dimensions of the 24-70 2.8L and 24-105L IS f4 when at full zoom? I will be using the lens in a waterhousing as well and the further the end glass moves from the port glass when zooming out the worse the potential results. Unfortunately the specs only give one overall dimension, and neither Canon or the Warehouse Express have replied to my email enquiries!

One last question (hopefully!) is there much difference in performance/quality between the Canon 50mm F1.8 and the F1.4 or in the main difference in the price due to the build quality?
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Re: Which general purpose lens for a 1D MkIII ?

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As a matter of interest does anyone know the overall dimensions of the 24-70 2.8L and 24-105L IS f4 when at full zoom?
Altho' not got the lenses, 99% certain they use internal focussing, so barrel length does not change - specs for each from Canon site:

24-70 2.8L Max. diameter x length (mm) 83.20 x 123.50
24-105L IS f4 Max. diameter x length (mm) 83.50 x 107.00
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Old 13-09-2007, 08:15   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Which general purpose lens for a 1D MkIII ?

Thanks for the quick post, but I think that the internal focussing might be a red herring, I think that this means that the lens will not rotate when focussing so you can use a polarising filter. If I am wrong that is great news - hopefully someone with greater knowledge will be able to confirm.
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... is there much difference in performance/quality between the Canon 50mm F1.8 and the F1.4 or in the main difference in the price due to the build quality?
If it's anything like the Nikon equivalent: I did intensive research when I wanted to buy my nifty fifty, and everything pointed to the 1.8 being a MUCH better choice than the 1.4. Even the people who had the 1.4 and were reasonably happy with it, said they would recommend getting the 1.8 over the 1.4, and that the 1.4 is definitely not worth the extra money. The main deciding factor for me was that although you gain an extra half-stop at the wide (aperture) end, you lose a complete stop at the narrow (aperture) end, i.e. 1.4 goes to f/16 while the 1.8 goes to f/22. HTH.

PS I don't believe the extra money is relative to build quality (the 1.8 has excellent build quality) but it's simply the price you pay to have a slightly wider aperture, which some complain is overkill anyway, + renders too short a DOF to be useful in most scenarios.
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Re: Which general purpose lens for a 1D MkIII ?

The Canon 24-70 does extend but inside the hood if you know what I mean.
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Re: Which general purpose lens for a 1D MkIII ?

Just to support Charlotte's post, I've seen several articles where it was said unless the f1.4 is absolutely vital, the f1.8 is better all-round, and has less distortion to boot. (This was for the Nikon fifty though).
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Re: Which general purpose lens for a 1D MkIII ?

I have the Canon 24-105 f4 L IS which I find is an excellent all round lens and the IS is very useful.
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As a matter of interest does anyone know the overall dimensions of the 24-70 2.8L and 24-105L IS f4 when at full zoom?
As far as I'm aware the 24-70 extends "inside" the hood, maybe slightly past it, while the 24-105 extends as a normal zoom lens does. Please be aware than I've no personal experience with either of these so I could well be in error... Hopefully we can get some info from actual owers to confirm this.

As an extra note, as you mention this will be used in a water housing I would lean towards the 24-70 simply due to it being a faster f/2.8 lens as light is at a premium when you get underwater.

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is there much difference in performance/quality between the Canon 50mm F1.8 and the F1.4 or in the main difference in the price due to the build quality?
Basicly you are mainly paying for better build quality and a USM focus motor, and to a lesser extent, better IQ. Due to the 50 1.8 having a plastic body and mount and no USM there are many who feel the 50 1.4 is worth the extra cash, especially if they have the extra cash to spend .

The lens construction of the 50 1.4 also leads to slightly better IQ (reportedly quite noticeable in "bokeh" quality) due to it's 7 elements in 6 groups design opposed to the 50 1.8's 6 elements in 5 groups.

The thing is, for what you intend to use it for it may not be worth going for the 50 1.4. Also when you can import the 50 1.8 for a touch less than £60 it'd probably be a better idea to try it out first, you can always sell it on and not loose more than £10-15 if it doesn't suit you.
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Re: Which general purpose lens for a 1D MkIII ?

Sonsey, Thank you for the information. It looks like the 24-70 will be the best lens, although I do not shoot underwater (for the most part the surfers are above!) I often swim out when the weather is not good enough to shoot with the 600mm lens so the 2.8 will be a big help in keeping the shutter speed up. I also assume that with the glass extending internally there will be no problems using it within the housing port.

If think you are right, I will try the 50 1.8 first, especially as it is not going to be my most used lens. As a matter of interest though (here is the idiots question!) what is the IQ? - though I think I might start a new thread to see if anyone else has suggestions for the best way to go with photographing paintings.
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Re: Which general purpose lens for a 1D MkIII ?

Here's a few snaps of the 24-70 2.8L

(1) @ 70mm



(2) Extended out to 24mm (although it's just dropped back in the picture in between 24-28 but you get the picture )



(3) With the hood fitted @ 24mm, again it's just dropped down slightly due to the weight of the barrel......the hood easily covers the lens when extended.



As for taking pictures of paintings I would imagine you should be able to take them with either the 24-70 or the 24-105.

I recently took some pictures for someone who owns a collection of original Joe Scarborough paintings with a 16-35 2.8L as it was on my camera body at the time.

Hardly ever use my 50mm 1.8.....I also owned the Nikon 50mm 1.4 when I had Nikon, again it hardly ever got used (yes I ask myself why did I buy ).
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Many thanks for the photos. The lens does extend more than I thought, but as it extends within the hood I assume that the results when it is inside a Perspex housing (which is blacked out on the sides around the lens) will be the same as when the lens has its hood on.

When I photographed paintings using a 17-85 the frame edges tended to warp. This may have been as I was cropping them tight when shooting or maybe they were not completely square with the camera. I suppose that I am trying to identify whether the problem was caused by me, the equipment or both!
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I did have to slightly correct in CS a little distortion with the 16-35 on the paintings.....no major problem though

I only used that lens as it was on my body at the time........never thought of using the 50mm

The 50mm 1.8 IQ (image quality) is excellent for the price

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Here's a few snaps of the 24-70 2.8L
Thanks for posting the shots P-E, and for clarifying the hood issue.

Do you have a measurement of the 24-70 with the hood attached so Nick can see if it will fit inside his waterproof housing?

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P-E's answered your question, it is indeed Image Quality I was refering to, sorry for the confusion.
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Do you have a measurement of the 24-70 with the hood attached so Nick can see if it will fit inside his waterproof housing?
Whoops sorry about that ........

The length with the hood fitted from mount to furthest point of the lens petal is 190mm approx (7 1/2").

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Just to support Charlotte's post, I've seen several articles where it was said unless the f1.4 is absolutely vital, the f1.8 is better all-round, and has less distortion to boot. (This was for the Nikon fifty though).
Just to clarify the Nikon 1.4 has a little barrel distortion that is only apparent on a film/full frame sensor. The 1.4 on a DX body performs better than the 1.8 at all apertures up to F16. That being said the difference is not worth the extra money for me. On such a fast lens lens the 8 blade diaphragm of the 1.4 should have better bokeh than the 5 blade 1.8. I only ended up with the 1.4 by luck and was going for the 1.8. If money is no object then 1.4 is the better lens unless you want to shoot at f16 or above.
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