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Old 22-07-2006, 19:06   #1 (permalink)
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Help! Lens confusion!

Hi was wondering if anyone could help me, I've been getting myself very confused over which lens to buy!

I currently have a Canon 350D, Sigma 55-200 f4/5.6, Canon 50mm f1.8, I'm looking for a lens that would be good for photographing bands at indoor gigs & interesting characters in the crowds, etc.

Was thinking about maybe the Tamron 28-75 F2.8 XRDI or Sigma 24-70 f2.8 EXDGMacro but I'm open to suggestions! Has anybody got any experience of these lenses or could recommend alternatives? Any idea where's the best place to buy them from? Which filters would you reccomend, mainly to protect the lens?

(I've also looked at the Canon 24-105l f4 is usm & 24-70mm f2.8L, bit too expensive & would i gain much benefit on a 350D for the extra cost?)

Many Thanks in anticipation!!!

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Old 22-07-2006, 21:36   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Help! Lens confusion!

Both the Sigma 24-70 and Tamron 28-75 are supposed to be excellent lenses. The focal lengths should also be ideal for gig stuff. I think the Tamron is held in higher regard, but dont quote me on that!

As for places to buy, are you looking online? warehouseexpress.com is the largest internet retailer and their prices are pretty compeitive.

A UV filter will do a good job at protecting the lens from damage. I tend to buy cheap ones from 7dayshop, but some people prefer to spend a bit more.

The Sigma 30mm 1.4 would make a good alternative due to its wide aperture, but the fixed focal length might be a pain. The Canon 50mm 1.8 might be worth buying in addition to whatever ese you buy - it should be good for gigs and at 60ish you cant really complain!

I hope some of this helps!

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Re: Help! Lens confusion!

Not used any of the lenses mentioned (I'm a Nikon guy) but I've shot a boatload of concerts; you need f/2.8 glass at a minimum - faster would be better - and it helps if the lens has a good AF drive. Sigma seems to have better AF drive with their HSM technology, so look at lenses that offer that.

I've noted what you said about L glass being pricey to use on a 350D... this is not the way to think about lenses: your lens collection will outlast your current dSLR and be used on future bodies that you upgrade to, therefore I counsel folk to buy the best they can afford as lenses are investments as opposed to purchases
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Old 22-07-2006, 21:39   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Help! Lens confusion!

Hi Karen and to Pixalo. I'm not the best person to talk about gig photography but first off I would say you've got an excellent camera which would benefit from any L lenses. I would suggest that, before you rush out and buy a new lens have a go with your 50mm. The larger aperture will give you faster shutter speeds and you can always bump up the ISO. It does mean moving around a bit more. Also you need to consider whether you can use flash at the gigs.

I can't offer any thoughts on the lenses you mention but my view is buy the best you can afford. Good glass is an investment for the future. With regard to filters - I don't use them to protect the lens, I put them on for a specific purpose and then put them away. A lot of people will disagree with me on that but any filter will degrade IQ to a certain extent, although you may not notice it.

Lastly, if possible buy over the counter - you can always try a lens first and take it back, in person, if it's faulty. Where do you live - I may be able to point you at a few dealers. HTH.
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Re: Help! Lens confusion!

I have the sigma 24-70, it is a good lens in daylight for landscapes and press shoots but in gigs I think it would back focus in dim lighting conditions. Have you thought about the Canon 85 f1.8?
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Re: Help! Lens confusion!

Welcome to Pixalo Karen.

Lot's of good advice already. I too would have thought f/2.8 minimum for indoor gigs. If you could anticipate where you woule be at the gig each time then a prime would seem best, like the 85mm f/1.8. If you are going to be at different distances from stage, then it's forcing a zoom lens.

For most aggresive prices you'l be hard to beat this place :- Onestop Digital - Camera equipment at the lowest prices . Although in Hong Kong the price includes P&P & guarentees no VAT. Quite a few members have used with success, including myself

Hope this helps & let us know how you get on.

BTW have you shot any gigs with the 50mm to date. Would be interested in seeing how they came out.
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Old 23-07-2006, 09:04   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Help! Lens confusion!

Forgot to say a couple of members reviewed the Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 SP Di, Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM
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Re: Help! Lens confusion!

Many thanks for the advice!
Quite a novice at the moment & have found your replies very useful!
Shot some photos last night with the Canon 50 mm 1.8 & was pleased with the results, this was a small pub gig with lots of room to move about but very low light.
I live in Blackpool & will hopefully have the opportunity to photograph bands at an upcoming festival at the Winter Gardens. The lighting for these professional bands will be much stronger, but I have realised i really do need at least f/2.8 & also a zoom as it will be difficult to predict where I will be positioned.
Will try out the Sigma & Tamron & Canon 24-70 as mentioned, I'm really tempted by the Canon EF 24-70f2.8L but concerned about the extra weight, I have a few neck problems & will be using my new lens as a walkabout for most of the day & night, has anyone found the weight to be a major annoyance? (Was stated as a 'con' in some of reviews).
Also the bloke in my local Jessops told me that my 350D is not robust enough to carry heavy lenses? (Is this true????????)

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Re: Help! Lens confusion!

"Also the bloke in my local Jessops told me that my 350D is not robust enough to carry heavy lenses? (Is this true????????)"

Ahahahaha, well in that case the lens carries the camera, that is why the tripod mount is found on the lens on bigger lenses, go back and punch him in the mouth. or tell me which jessops and we can arrange a pixalo meet there, that should be fun.
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Re: Help! Lens confusion!

One of our resident Pro Photographers, telling it as it is

Gary's quite right that the guy you spoke to , seems to be a tad confused . Yes if any of us put a huge telephoto on the front of our camera & tried to put it on a tripod, there would be huge leverage on the lens mount. As GB stated this is why such lenses have dedicated tripod collars.

For the lenses you are looking at, there is no problem
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Re: Help! Lens confusion!

Looking at the weight of the lens (near 1kg) , this is nearly 5x weight of kit lens. I wouldn't want that hanging round my neck all day, ....saying that neither would I a camera with just a normal lens. Eventually it will cause some neck ache.

Have you considered a small camera bag that you can put over your shoulder ?

Also have a look at this thread :- http://www.pixalo.com/community/phot...lens-6647.html

The pro lens is Nikon equivalent to Canon lens you are looking at......but just look how good the 50mm f/1.8 is (which you have the equivalent Canon version already )
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Re: Help! Lens confusion!

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Also the bloke in my local Jessops told me that my 350D is not robust enough to carry heavy lenses? (Is this true????????)
Don't worry Karen, my 350D regularly has a Sigma 100-300 f/4 or a Canon 100-400L IS (neither of which you'd call "small") attached to it... with absolutely no problems

With regards to your neck problems, you might want to look at the Op/Tech range of camera neck straps, they do a wide strap that helps to distribute the weight a bit better... and have a good look at the Tamron 28-75 f/2.8, very sharp and really quite light
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Re: Help! Lens confusion!

Tip: learn to carry your camera slung over your shoulder, with the lens' front element pointing towards the back of your thigh. A comfortable shoulder strap such as Op/Tech brand or the new LowePro range will go a long way to alleviating neck and shoulder pain too.

For what it's worth, I routinely shoot concerts with a pair of D2X bodies, one sporting a 17-55 DX lens and the other a 70-200; the combined weight works out at around 4.5kg and I don't suffer from any pain or cramps so longs as my useage doesn't exceed around 4 hours on the shoulder. If I try putting just one camera around my neck, it gets stressful after just 30 minutes or so.

Using heavier, pro-grade lenses does take a bit of getting used to but you'll quickly find that using lighter weight solutions feel like toys in your hands
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Re: Help! Lens confusion!

Thanks everyone for your advice!!

Much appreciated!

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Re: Help! Lens confusion!

You can't leave us in the lurch like that What did you end up buying, or not buying as the case may be?
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Sorry, that was a bit mean of me!

Was still deliberating til the last minute but have finally decided on the Tamron 28-75 f2.8, which I have just ordered from Warehouse express. I thought about it & really couldn't afford the Canon L (I also needed a flash) the Tamron had really good reviews & seemed great value for money in comparison to other lenses out there.
I have also just ordered a Canon Speedlite 580 ex from Onestopdigital & a Hoya DMC pro1 uv filter (is this ok? looked like it would be suitable) to protect the lens as i am incredibly accident prone!
Once again cheers for the help! Will let you know how I get on,

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Re: Help! Lens confusion!

Karen:

Tip to protecting lenses: keep your lens hood on at all times... it's the first line of defence against bumps, knocks and scrapes, and it won't affect the optical quality of the lens in any way, whereas a filter might

That said - I believe that Canon lenses don't come with lens hoods as standard (yes/no?) so you might have to shell out a few extra quid.
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Tip to protecting lenses: keep your lens hood on at all times... it's the first line of defence against bumps, knocks and scrapes, and it won't affect the optical quality of the lens in any way, whereas a filter might
Great tip and one that I always follow

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That said - I believe that Canon lenses don't come with lens hoods as standard (yes/no?) so you might have to shell out a few extra quid.
This is not always true, some of the lenses come with hoods and some don't, all of my L lenses came supplied with hoods but at those prices they better had do

I have the Tamron lens and that also comes with a hood which is very sturdy and solid once fastend on.

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Re: Help! Lens confusion!

Bit late on this one, but Hi & welcome Karen

Be good to hear how you get on with the lens
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