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Old 01-09-2008, 15:10   #1 (permalink)
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Just posted! We've now got a full production Canon EOS 50D and over the weekend produced a quick sample gallery to add to our preview of this 15 megapixel update to the EOS 40D. We're still waiting for a production quality copy of the new EF-S 18-200mm 1:3.5-5.6 IS lens; we'll add samples from it as soon as we've got one.

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Old 01-09-2008, 15:35   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Just Posted! Canon EOS 50D Sample Gallery

Be interesting to see if people think these example shots justify the price of the 50D
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Re: Just Posted! Canon EOS 50D Sample Gallery

Hard to really judge from small Jpegs but it looks good to me. The 6400 shot looked well controlled even if the Nr did look a little overdone but obviously you need to see a full sized shot in challenging light to be sure (If I can shoot at F9 I wouldn't be using ISO 6400). The big selling point is the extra mega pixels even though for most people they are irrelevant (they are not for me). If it can even match the 40D for noise and cram in those extra pixels I think it will do well and will be a great leap given the disappointing high ISO performance of the very low density 10MP ID MkIII.
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Re: Just Posted! Canon EOS 50D Sample Gallery

ISO6400... do you have experience on this level of ISO? it seems a bit of grainy but 6400 is very high ISO value isn't it? Any D300 user can compare and comment please?

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Re: Just Posted! Canon EOS 50D Sample Gallery

If the 18-200IS is a good as the 17-85 IS I'll have one
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Hard to really judge from small Jpegs but it looks good to me.
If you click on file name below you get much larger versions Pixel peepers, start your engines !!!!
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ISO6400... do you have experience on this level of ISO? it seems a bit of grainy but 6400 is very high ISO value isn't it?
Only a few years ago people thought ISO800 was noisy for their shots. Shows how quickly technology moves on

Anyway, here is the D90 at ISO6400 :- http://a.img-dpreview.com/gallery/ni...s/dsc_1009.jpg & the D300 at ISO6400 :- http://a.img-dpreview.com/gallery/ni...aw-raw-acr.jpg
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Re: Just Posted! Canon EOS 50D Sample Gallery

From my actual experience, the 50D colours and detail look more stifled than the D300 at 6400, but it depends on the ratio or light:shadow in the imade really.
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Re: Just Posted! Canon EOS 50D Sample Gallery

Having looked at the full size sample my completely biased opinion is that the D300 edges it when you take into account this is in pretty good light. But it's close enough to be impressed when you consider the extra pixels. The 50D looks expensive at the moment since it hasn't really improved on the 40D in areas it was weaker (Image quality was always great and it was a real bargain).
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Only a few years ago people thought ISO800 was noisy for their shots. Shows how quickly technology moves on

Anyway, here is the D90 at ISO6400 :- http://a.img-dpreview.com/gallery/ni...s/dsc_1009.jpg & the D300 at ISO6400 :- http://a.img-dpreview.com/gallery/ni...aw-raw-acr.jpg
I'm impressed with the D90 and D300 photo quality at ISO6400!! From these three very different photos, I like the D90 result the most (considering it's the cheapest yet very competitive)... Tho I'm happy with 50D result and possibly it will be my next camera... tho I want to see a trough rough review of it 1st!!

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The 50D looks expensive at the moment since it hasn't really improved on the 40D in areas it was weaker (Image quality was always great and it was a real bargain).
In what way is it inferior to the 40D? I am interested as I will upgrade my 20D early next year.

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In what way is it inferior to the 40D?
Price? No way is it twice as good!

The one thing that I really thought when I'd worked my way through everything: the 40D is more of a bargain than I thought - but realise I've totally fallen for the marketing hype that goes into producing something marginally better, overpricing it and so dragging the older models higher in our estimation!
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Re: Just Posted! Canon EOS 50D Sample Gallery

The price is a seperate issue. From the specs and a number of the reviews I have read, the 50D is 15M Pixels versus the 40D at 10 M pixels. If all else was the same the 50D ought to have lower dynamic range but it is about 1.5 stops better than the 40D due to the use of the gapless microfilters (according to canon). The 50D used the DIGIC IV processor and has a number of features not found on the 40D such as dust removal in DPP (not sure if it is any good) etc. Most other features are the same as the 40D which is a good version. Unless my summary is incorrect or Canon are not providing what they specify the 50D is significantly better than the 40D.

When it come to the price. Most companies use price skimming with consumer products and Cameras are one of the most stark examples of this. The first few weeks/months pricing is aimed at the person who must have the new model and does not care about how much it costs (there are plenty of such folks). The first price drop is aimed at catching those who are prepared to pay a bit over the odds to get a model early but do not want to be completely ripped off. It is only when you get to the second main price reduction that you begin to appeal to the mass market. It is also quite normal to sell old models (once relplaced) at even lower prices (no doubt still making a profit).

What I am suggesting is that the 50D is at price stage 1 and the 40D at price stage 3 (not 4 because canon say the 50D is not replacing the 40D??). I am hoping that by next February the 50D will have reached price stage 3 or close to it and will thus represent better value though will almost certainly remain higher priced than the 40D.

So faced with the choice, if I had to buy a Canon DSLR right now, I would choose the 40D at £530 as opposed to the 50D at £1150. However, I can wait a little and I notice that the 50D today was advertised at £949 at one UK supplier. On the other hand I have not yet ruled out the EOS 5D Mk II!!!!!
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On the other hand I have not yet ruled out the EOS 5D Mk II!!!!!
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You missed out Price stage 4 - second hand , & then stage 5 - second hand after new model is out . I like stage 5
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The price is a seperate issue.
Fair comment from your description tho' at the end of the day I still say it has to reflect value for money against other brands/models, so it must be a consideration in the better/worse stakes!
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Re: Just Posted! Canon EOS 50D Sample Gallery

Forgive me if I'm wrong but as far as I am aware the 40D DOES have dust removal using the proprietary software (DPP). You open one picture, mark where the dust is and it then batch processes a whole folder of them removing the dust in each one in the same spot.

I've never actually used it but I am pretty certain it's there.

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Re: Just Posted! Canon EOS 50D Sample Gallery

Rob, you may be right about 40D and DPP dust removal but I was just trying to indicate that there were a number of other additions to the 50D though not suggesting that they were necessarily significant. I have now found a spec comparison and some of the differences include:

Four levels of noise reduction
Four level lighting optimiser (?)
Peripheral Illumination Correction (several lens profiles built in and more can be added)
AF adjustment(?)

If like me, you have a nearly 4 year old EOS 20D then the 50D looks very attractive and more attractive than buying a 40D. Unlike some on this forum (Dave) I upgrade my camera only after several years. In fact upgrading after 4 years is reckless for me as my previous shortest record is 12 years. Part of the value for money consideration is to buy a spec that will keep me content for 4 years or so. I print at close to A3 size and however well you compose at the taking stage, I need artistic freedom to crop an image to whatever shape seems best. I am finding that my current 8.2 M pixels too limiting but 10.1 M pixels is not enough improvement to be worth changing hence the attraction of the 15.1 M pixel 50D for me.
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The problem with the cropping idea is that the limitation is not so much the sensor resolution as the lens resolution. We've reached the stage where the optics can't resolve any more detail, and adding more pixels won't really help.

The only thing that would tempt me to buy the 50D is if the high ISO performance really is significantly better than the 40D. The first two shots I posted here were taken with the 40D at ISO 3200, hand held, and haven't turned out too bad after some Ninja-ing, but it would be good to have the same performance at ISO 6400.
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In what way is it inferior to the 40D? I am interested as I will upgrade my 20D early next year.

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Definitely not inferior. For me the 40D weaknesses were not in it's sensor, which was incredible for the money, but in the ergonomics, construction weatherproofing and AF sophistication. Not that these were in any way terrible just if they were going to make improvements to justify a fair price hike I'd have liked them to have addressed some of them as well.
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Re: Just Posted! Canon EOS 50D Sample Gallery

They have now reviewed the camera in full and it does appear it's a pixel leap too far. They actually seem to conclude that the 40D has better image quality and it compares unfavourably to the D300.
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I have also seen reviews which suggest that the 50D does not perform any better than the 40D. I will continue to look at a few more reviews but also take more interest in the 5D Mk II. However, the 5D MkII will have to come down in price a lot for me to seriously consider it. Anyone care to guess how much a 5D MkII body only will cost at Focus on Imaging?

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Re: Just Posted! Canon EOS 50D Sample Gallery

From dpreview's full review of the 50D it looks like I can save some money and stick with the 40D.

15MP was always pushing it for an APS-C sensor, and the only reason I would have considered a 50D is if it had also managed to produce lower high-ISO noise. But miracles don't happen and the conclusion is that IQ is better on the 40D.

Let's hope that the 5D MkII is less of a disappointment.
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Given the size of the sensors in the 50D and the 5D MkII, I think there will be a massive difference in noise reduction as the sensor sites are so much bigger, even with 40% more pixels. In real terms, a full frame sensor (near enough 36mm x 24mm) is well over double the physical area of an APS-C sensor (as in the 50D) which is 22mm x 15mm.

To put those figures more logically for this argument, a 50D sensor has an area of 330 sq. mm whereas a 5D MkII sensor has an area of 864 sq. mm. This allows for much better noise handling and so can operate at considerably higher ISO without losing quality.

But hey, the 50D is available for £799 from a UK seller whereas the 5D Mk II is on pre-order for about £2000. At that price difference I would expect a considerable performance difference too!

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