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Old 21-12-2008, 02:57   #1 (permalink)
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Which lens for 400D/450D, kit or other, and macro?

I'm about to get 400D or 450D probably.. and need to know what I do about the lenses. Should I go with the kit lens - not sure what Canon are presently offering but gather it has gone down in quality a lot?! Or should I get body only? ANd if so, what lens? Something from Sigma has been recommended. (Also want to get a Macro lens, but will have to save up for that)
I need to capture images of my children who aren't going to see adulthood, so I want good quality pictures, at same time budget isn't endless as am a lone carer.
Does IS also have a role to play in the movement of the object? They are both pretty fast moving at times, and dim light shots others have passed on to me from point and shoots have often been ruined by blur. You can probably I'm an utter novice on a steep learning curve here!
Looking at action shots/moving portraits!, landscapes I guess, and ...I would really like to get macro capacity - for those shots of ladybirds, ants, snails and textures of moss and bark (need to catalogue their experiences for purposes of aiding their communication (visual diaries) and stimulating their memory and discussion. And for me as I probably quite like the little details in life.
We're talking family trips to our West Walian beaches, damp green woods, multiple hills, my children, plenty indoor shots in clay classes/school performances/baking at home, strong sunshine and dim light (indoor and out). Most of all my children (and what they see).
Any help greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Are shutter delay/start up time issues affected by lenses? Its a big issue for us as my children don't hold still for long and want very much to capture those split second moments/expressions/actions.
Sorry if some of questions show gaping ignorance. Just starting to learn about it all. Thank you
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Re: Which lens for 400D/450D, kit or other, and macro?

Hi Diane and welcome to Pixalo. There are an awful lot of questions there and me thinks you might be trying to run before you can walk, so to speak. On the other hand part of your post suggests time is pressing so one thing a a time.

You're choice of camera is fine and start-up times etc are specific to the camera and not affected by lenses. Although some lenses will auto-focus quicker than others your camera's specs are inherent in the camera.

It appears that people photography is your prime concern and to allow sharp shots and good depth of field you need a lens which will open up to f2.8 or even f1.8. I would suggest a 50mm f1.8 which can be had for about 60 or less. It's even good for landscapes but you will have to move about a lot (no zoom).

Macro is a specialist subject and, ideally, requires a specialist lens hence them costing a lot more money - Canon 100mm, Tamron 90mm etc.

An alternative is to go for a multi-purpose, walkabout lens which will allow you to shoot most subjects albeit you will lose some quality and it won't really
cut it indoors. A good example of this type of lens is the Tamron 18-270mm which Silkstone has bought recently and reviewed in our Equipment Reviews here.

Either way you need to think a bit more about what you want to do first and, in the meantime, read about other members opinions of lenses in the Equipment Reviews. HTH and post back with more questions if you need to.
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Re: Which lens for 400D/450D, kit or other, and macro?

Another option is to use a flashgun to 'freeze' the movement of your kids. Best to use bounce flash to soften the otherwise harsh shadows or a diffuser. I got these happy snaps with a Gary Fong Lightsphere, but you can get cheaper copies from e-bay. Dave has also posted example shots taken with this type of diffuser here.
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Re: Which lens for 400D/450D, kit or other, and macro?

Don't know how far your budget will stretch but for starters you can't go far wrong with the 50mm 1.8 (nifty fifty), you could probably pick one up for around 60.00 or less if you shop around or maybe even second hand around the 40.00 mark. This is a great little lens, sharp and ideal for low light, or even the 1.4 which will open even wider but a good bit more expensive around the 230 mark.
The Sigma 70-300mm F/4-5.6 APO DG Macro around 120.00 or less would cover your zoom and macro all in one, I used to have this lens and it's a cracker, I used to have this lens but my son inherited it after I upgraded to a 100-400L. Although the 50 mm or Sigma does'nt have IS their both very good lenses on a budget. I've taken a few macro shots with this lens, not perfect but I was happy.

The Sigma would not be my choice for indoors though unless I had good light or a decent flash. A Tamron 28-75mm f2.8 SP AF Di is also a good lens, I've taken a few good shots with this one and it's fairly good in low light too, having said all that a lot depends on the light available where your taking your photos.

Lenses with IS then you have to expect to pay more, a few of the Canon L quality have IS but they also carry a hefty price tag. IS is only a aid to avoid camera shake, not to freeze a moving subject. For that you will need a faster shutter speed which either camera can do
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Re: Which lens for 400D/450D, kit or other, and macro?

Thanks guys. It sounds like the 50mm f1.8 is the way to go (it was on my list of possibles from reading about it on someone else's questions). And Macro - the Sigma 70-300 f4-5.6 APO DG Macro sounds worth checking out, and the Canon 100mm, and Tamron 90mm - (in due course, I agree) (I'd heard that IS is probably more important on Macro shots, though Macro and zoom in one has appeal) The flashgun bit I didn't understand, but that's my ignorance and I will gen up on it in due (due) course. But thank you.
Oh, and good to know both the 450 and 400D Canon's will have good enough shutter speeds. I'd been worried the Live View would slow down the shutter speed of the 450 somehow. Any strong opinions about one over the tother?
Thank you for all the feedback.
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Re: Which lens for 400D/450D, kit or other, and macro?

You might find this thread of use Diane http://www.pixalo.com/community/gene...ther-7423.html
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