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Old 02-05-2008, 22:11   #1 (permalink)
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Macro lens advice

I've got some money to spend this year. And to top op my lenses, I'm looking for a macro lens.

Now I'm perticularly looking at the Nikkor 105vr. And I know there are a few people at this forum who've got this lens. But no reviews to be found

Could anybody give me an opinion of which one to go for. Or is there a comparible cheaper model around which is brilliant aswell?
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Old 02-05-2008, 22:28   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Macro lens advice

Not got it, but if you are shooting macro with a 105mm you will need (unless you have arms of steel) a tripod, now VR has to be switched off while mounted on a tripod, so IMHO a lot of money is going on a VR lens which is being wasted.

Why not try the 105mm Micro NON vr lens and save a big chunk of money,it,s supposed to be sharper as well...........
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Re: Macro lens advice

Alternatives are the Sigma 105 macro - very good but the front section extends when focusing, which doesn't appeal to everyone - and the Sigma 150 macro which is relatively large and heavy but useful if you don't want to get so close - bees and wasps, for instance.
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Re: Macro lens advice

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Not got it, but if you are shooting macro with a 105mm you will need (unless you have arms of steel) a tripod, now VR has to be switched off while mounted on a tripod, so IMHO a lot of money is going on a VR lens which is being wasted.

Why not try the 105mm Micro NON vr lens and save a big chunk of money,it,s supposed to be sharper as well...........
I'm about to get a tripod. So that wouldn't be a problem. But the vr switched off Why if I may ask? That sound odd.
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Re: Macro lens advice

Dutchie, the VR doesn't "have" to be switched off, it's just wise to do so when mounted on a tripod, since you don't need the VR in that case and it saves battery power (VR uses extra power).

I can't agree with towershot's logic in arriving at the conclusion of going for a cheaper macro lens without VR. Don't forget that you are not restricted to shooting macro with this lens Nor indeed do you have to be bound to using a tripod. It is also a great lens for portraits, especially on a DX camera, since its FL equates to (roughly) 150mm on a DX. And when using it for portraits, the VR is invaluable, as it is with any handheld close up shots Yes I use this lens handheld - often ... it's heavy but not unmanageable

I have to say that it is my most used lens, and I can't recommend it highly enough ... go for it!
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Re: Macro lens advice

How 'macro' do you want to go? Raynox do some great clip on lenses and very well priced, like the DCR250 or the MSN202 but I'd recommend a good tripod and macro rail to go with them.

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Re: Macro lens advice

I guess it ust depend on how you want to use the lens.

If all you wanted to shoot was macros of flowers (or other still life) then VR is somewhat redundant as a good tripod would be much more essential. Early versions of stabilisation systems suffered when on a tripod (they depend on rapid gyroscopic movements so they actually introduced vibrations!) but I believe that's not now the case (and I use 300mm and 100-400mm stabilised lenses, switched on, on tripods with no perceived ill effect)

If it's insects and other creepie-crawlies then VR comes into it's own (tho' I do recall suggestions that VR is not very effective at macro distances) and a tripod becomes a nuisance and even monopods difficult (anyone trying to capture moving insects wll know what I mean!)

Then there's the use of the 105mm as a portrait lens. I've the Sigma 105mm macro lens and use it as my main portrait lens (not that I take many portrait shots!)
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Re: Macro lens advice

Ah yes, now I know again why I'd choosen this lens to buy in the future.
Yes I love shooting portraits. So i would definitely use the lens for this as well.

With macro. I would go for the bees and creepy crawlies for a while I imagine.

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Re: Macro lens advice

You could also look at the Tamron 90mm which is cheaper, and slightly shorter which can be better for portraits, cos you don't have to have so much working space. Produces great results, and very sharp
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Re: Macro lens advice

Hi Jack You've got that tamron. I remember that a while back. So your still quiet happy with the tamron?
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Re: Macro lens advice

Me? Biased?
Yes I have got it, and I am still very happy with it.
Just posted a thread here showing what it can do in a concert setting, and all the water drop shots I've posted recently from the D300 were done with it.
Very sharp, fast, and a good focal length for most average things, maybe a bit long for some cases, but obviously not for macro
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Re: Macro lens advice

A friend has recently got the Sigma 150mm which looks to well put together.

Obvious downside is the slow focus and he tells me it hunts quite badly in lower light onhis 30D.
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Re: Macro lens advice

I've read that about the sigma 105 as well. Not a good idea to go for the sigma at all.
I'm only getting strong advice from everywhere to go for the nikon 105vr.

I will stick with that I think. I'd rather spend a bit more and being happy with the lens without any regrets.

It's hard to find any reviews on that lens though. It's a shame. If anybody who have got that lens, want to write a review on pixalo please? It makes live easier for newbies like me
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I'm only getting strong advice from everywhere to go for the nikon 105vr.

I will stick with that I think. I'd rather spend a bit more and being happy with the lens without any regrets.

It's hard to find any reviews on that lens though. It's a shame. If anybody who have got that lens, want to write a review on pixalo please? It makes live easier for newbies like me
I believe Charlotte has the 105 VR, but I'm not sure she's had much chance to use it since she got it... I'll point this thread out to her anyway.
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Re: Macro lens advice

I've already commented in the thread Sonsey

Review on the Nikkor 105mm VR Micro lens coming up
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I've already commented in the thread Sonsey



...Well at least it got you moving on getting that review posted.
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Re: Macro lens advice

Sonsey, Charlotte replyed and she has got the 105vr.

Charlotte, telling me off for not updating my camera gear Where is your review for the 105vr
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Re: Macro lens advice

Dutchie, I've been looking for the draft review that I started soon after I got the lens, but I can't find it, so will have to start from scratch Working on it now + will try to post it up tonight

PS Glad to see you updated your camera gear
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Here ya go Dutchie, review on the Nikkor 105mm VR Micro Lens.

Edit: Hmmm can't get my link to work ... will try again tomorrow. But in the meantime, make you way over to the Reviews Section

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Re: Macro lens advice

Dutchie, VR is no use if you are specifically looking for macros. I recently purchased a Sigma 150mm macro and can't recommend it highly enough. The lens is simply superb!
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Dutchie, VR is no use if you are specifically looking for macros.
Why is that?

(BTW Dutchie has said she will use the lens for portraits as well.)
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Re: Macro lens advice

Charlotte,

As the reproduction ration increases from 1:30, effects of VR gradually decrease. That's what Nikon has said. Check out Thom Hogan's review at Nikon 105mm f/2.8G AF-S VR Review by Thom Hogan

VR should help Dutchie if she is going to use the lens for portraits. I obviously missed that part.

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Ok finally got a link to work ... here's my review:

Pixalo Photographic Equipment Reviews - AF-S 105mm VR f/2.8 G IF-ED -
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Re: Macro lens advice

Oh right, Sachin, yes VR isn't as effective at close focusing range as it is for longer range focusing, but I wouldn't say that it's a waste of time for macro; it does still work + is better than not having the VR feature at all. In my experience anyway
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Re: Macro lens advice

Nice to know that Charlotte. Reports of ineffectiveness of VR at macro range misled me, and I went for Sigma 150mm. But I'm loving it so far
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Re: Macro lens advice

Thanks Charlotte, much appreciated

I think the vr feature is a good one for me as I do handheld photography a lot. I will have to keep myself to the garden or some nearby places and won't use the tripot a lot as I simply don't have the time for now.
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Interesting, I too was looking to buy a macro. helpful thread.
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I'll be getting my 105 vr at the end of the month.
I don't suppose it's much better than the competition, but then I'm only buying it cos it looks great!
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Been away a few days, but my comment on VR being no good for macro ,comes from an article I read before I bought the 18-200 VR.
It tested the lens with VR on and hand held.........With VR on and rested on a solid object,IE a wall........and with VR on and on a tripod.
They then tested the lens with VR off and with the same criteria.

The results as where that hand held the lens gained a couple of stops as the VR worked well, rested on a wall, no discernible difference, but on a tripod the shots where worse as the VR seemed to be fighting to stabilise the lens even though it was secure on a tripod.

The test was not scientific but as far as I can recall, by a Well known mag.

Moral of my tail is ,for macro work VR useless unless hand held ,but I must admit to missing the bit where it would be used for portrait as well . Hands up

Oh,and by the way,the non VR are dearer,but with people buying the new VR ones ,a few are being sold cheaper.
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... VR useless unless hand held ...
Agree with your main statement here, towershot, but I would remove the words "for macro work" which precede it, because VR being "useless unless handheld" relates to ANY type of photography, not just macro. And that is because VR is designed to be used handheld, not balanced on walls or tripods
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