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Old 22-03-2008, 11:24   #1 (permalink)
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Next step up from the Canon EF 70-300 F4/5.6 IS USM

What would be the next lens up from the EF 70-300 F4/5.6 IS USM without having to mortgage my house and would the price difference be worth the quality difference thank you ....Ray
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Old 22-03-2008, 11:32   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Next step up from the Canon EF 70-300 F4/5.6 IS USM

100-400 f/4L or 70-200L (f/2.8 or f/4), or 300 f/4L.

No, I honestly don't think it would be worth it unless you have a specific use in mind for which the 70-300 IS is not well suited. I have the 70-300 and the 300 f/4L, and hardly ever use the latter. The 70-300 is a cracking lens and I doubt if you would notice much/any quality difference with the L series at normal viewing sizes.
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Old 22-03-2008, 11:37   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Next step up from the Canon EF 70-300 F4/5.6 IS USM

Thank you silkstone thats made my mind up, im staying as i am, its just that i went to a bird hide at leighton moss, the lenses i saw there where massive, i couldnt reach the island in the middle of the lake, but like you said thats a specific use which i really dont need
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Old 22-03-2008, 11:45   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Next step up from the Canon EF 70-300 F4/5.6 IS USM

Ray, I have the same dilemma as you. Not enough reach in my 75-300 (and not convinced of the image quality anymore) will have some money to spend at the end of the month towards another lens. Do I go for wide angle zoom such as Sigma 10-20 (I mostly do landscapes) or save my pennies a while longer and go for a longer zoom Canon 100-400 or Sigma 50-500 spring to mind. Used to photo birds and quite fancy getting into events/gigs. The more I ponder the harder it gets.
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Old 22-03-2008, 12:05   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Next step up from the Canon EF 70-300 F4/5.6 IS USM

The 100-400 is a very good lens but a different order of magnitude in terms of size and weight. The 70-300IS is very easy to hand-hold - the 100-400 less so.

A wider max aperture is useful for low light shots (indoors, gigs, etc) although the good high-ISO performance of modern cameras has made that less critical. The 70-200 f/2.8 IS is splendid but quite large and heavy. It's not something I'd consider unless I had a specific purpose in mind.

The 10-20 is a good choice for landscape and interiors. The 'Bigma' 50-500 is a beast. It needs a sturdy tripod and do you actually want something with that range?
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Re: Next step up from the Canon EF 70-300 F4/5.6 IS USM

Well i have made my mind up now im staying as i am, i take a lot of shots at bird tables so im fine, if i ever wanted to frequent the bird hides on marshes and lakes then i would have to re-consider
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Re: Next step up from the Canon EF 70-300 F4/5.6 IS USM

Silkstone you have summed up what is going through my mind. Not sure if I actually want to spend that much on the 100-400 with my level of photography. As for length, I used to walk around in my film days with a 500mm lens looking for oppurtunistic shots of wildlife. Monopod used. Would probably get more from 10-20 and possibly a 50mm 1.8?
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I seem to be rambling on now.
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Re: Next step up from the Canon EF 70-300 F4/5.6 IS USM

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Silkstone you have summed up what is going through my mind. Not sure if I actually want to spend that much on the 100-400 with my level of photography. As for length, I used to walk around in my film days with a 500mm lens looking for oppurtunistic shots of wildlife. Monopod used. Would probably get more from 10-20 and possibly a 50mm 1.8?
Ray glad you made up your mind
I seem to be rambling on now.
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Re: Next step up from the Canon EF 70-300 F4/5.6 IS USM

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Old 22-03-2008, 14:27   #10 (permalink)

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Re: Next step up from the Canon EF 70-300 F4/5.6 IS USM

ROGER, STOP RAMBLING AND GO FOR A 10-20 YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE
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Re: Next step up from the Canon EF 70-300 F4/5.6 IS USM

The question is should it be the Sigma 10 20 or the Canon 10 22 I wonder
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Re: Next step up from the Canon EF 70-300 F4/5.6 IS USM

Go rambling in the landscapes with the 10-20mm
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The question is should it be the Sigma 10 20 or the Canon 10 22 I wonder
In terms of IQ I doubt if there's much to choose. The Canon 10-22 is reputed to have less distortion than the Sigma, but it is more expensive (although resale value is also likely to be higher). I went for the Canon partly because of a cashback offer when I bought my 30D, which brought the price down to nearly that of the Sigma and Tamron competitors, but otherwise it would have been a close call.
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Well i have made my mind up now im staying as i am, i take a lot of shots at bird tables so im fine, if i ever wanted to frequent the bird hides on marshes and lakes then i would have to re-consider
A wise choice I think. Even with a 600 mm lens that small dot you get with your 300mm will only become a twice as large dot. I tried digiscoping a while ago and was working with something the equivalent of 2400 mm. Even then from half way across a lake the birds were still quite small in the frame and the quality was not much good.
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Re: Next step up from the Canon EF 70-300 F4/5.6 IS USM

Decisions , decisions

It all seems so easy reading you guys, Silks advice as always is concise, informative and sensible.


SO

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Do I decide on and buy one of these lenses for the landscapes I enjoy, and stick with the 350D that has served me well as my entry into photography, while I learn to use the lens,

OR

Should I get a 40D forget the lens and learn to use the new camera,


Or

Is there really a 50D not far away that I should wait for, making option one the sensible way to go

Decision, decisions what do you guys think
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Re: Next step up from the Canon EF 70-300 F4/5.6 IS USM

Anthraquinone - Couldn't agree more. I bought the 300mm f/4L and 1.4x TC with the idea of photographing the birdies at the RSPB Old Moor reserve, and ended up realising why all the really serious bird photographers were wielding 600mm lenses and still complaining.
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Dandan - The question is, does your current kit hold you back? Is there anything you'd like to do that it won't let you? Does it disappoint? If not, stick with it - there will always be something new just around the corner.
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Re: Next step up from the Canon EF 70-300 F4/5.6 IS USM

Reading this thread all over again would I perhaps be better replacing my 75-300 (non IS) with the newer 70-300 IS ? Is it that much better a lens?

Just read the reviews by silkstone and stephano. Does sound to be a much better lens and would save me a lot on the 100-400.

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Yes - there's a big difference. I had the older 75-300 IS (optically similar to the non-IS version) and that was decent at f/8 and above, but nothing remarkable (except the IS worked pretty well).

The new 70-300 IS is sharp even wide open, and the IS works even better. If you pixel-peep you can see a difference between it and the 300 f/4L IS at 100% crop, but not as much as you might expect. The only real downside is that the 70-300 is not full-time manual focusing (i.e. you can't tweak the focus manually while in AF mode) and there is no focus scale.

If you're passing this way you are welcome to try it out, but I don't think you'll be disappointed.
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Yes - there's a big difference. I had the older 75-300 IS (optically similar to the non-IS version) and that was decent at f/8 and above, but nothing remarkable (except the IS worked pretty well).

The new 70-300 IS is sharp even wide open, and the IS works even better. If you pixel-peep you can see a difference between it and the 300 f/4L IS at 100% crop, but not as much as you might expect. The only real downside is that the 70-300 is not full-time manual focusing (i.e. you can't tweak the focus manually while in AF mode) and there is no focus scale.

If you're passing this way you are welcome to try it out, but I don't think you'll be disappointed.
Thanks for the offer. I think with a better quality, longer telephoto it would come out of the bag more often than the currrent one does.
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Hi Ray,
What are the settings you use in your EOS 400D Has i have one and i am not happy with the results im getting.
 
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Just read the reviews by silkstone and stephano. Does sound to be a much better lens and would save me a lot on the 100-400.
True but I sold my 70-300 and bought a 100-400 but then I use it every weekend.
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I agree with Woody. Go rambling with the Sigma 10-20!
Versatile, light, sharp (ish), cheap and just great fun getting a whole new angle on the world. I've just bought a Canon 70-200mm F/2.8 IS and while I love it, guess what's on the body most of the time? The trusty 10-20mm.
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True but I sold my 70-300 and bought a 100-400 but then I use it every weekend.
AAAGH! Not what I wanted to hear.
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AAAGH! Not what I wanted to hear.
Have you actually held one of these ?. I was in the same position as you a few weeks ago. A lady let me try her 100-400. I found it very heavy and large. Also I did not like the push pull zoom. So I settled on the 70-300. I did not think the extra weight and size was worth the 100 mm more focal length. I did also wonder about the smaller 70-300 DO version but decided that for the money that would have cost I would rather have the 10-20 mm. Roll on April.
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Re: Next step up from the Canon EF 70-300 F4/5.6 IS USM

The 70-300 DO looks, er, cooler than the standard 70-300 IS but I defy anyone to prove that the IQ is better.

Sorry if I'm flogging this a bit, but I'm heavily into "Proficiency is attained by practice not purchase" and you really don't need to spend megabucks to become proficient and achieve great results.

Any minute now I'm going to have a rant about Photoshop.....
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Panic not!
L series sounds good and white on the front looks cool but!.... There are lots of better things to spend my money on. AND internet search actually gives Wilkinsons (local) as best price for 70-300 IS. Decision made.
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Old 23-03-2008, 08:43   #28 (permalink)
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The 70-300 DO looks, er, cooler than the standard 70-300 IS but I defy anyone to prove that the IQ is better.

Smiles sheepishly at Silky and has to admit to buying the 70 300 DO, as it is smaller and easier to carry around for this out of condition but compulsive traveler. Doesn't know if image quality is any different, but it does of course perform well enough in its own right.
Whilst making life easier for this fat pensioner man, when climbing on and off and in and out of coaches, boats, cars and planes or scrambling over rocks etc.

I am also told it is unobtrusive enough not to invite comment when visiting sporting events where big lenses are not welcomed

Well those are my excuses and I am sticking to them
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Smiles sheepishly at Silky and has to admit to buying the 70 300 DO, as it is smaller and easier to carry around for this out of condition but compulsive traveler. Doesn't know if image quality is any different, but it does of course perform well enough in its own right.
Whilst making life easier for this fat pensioner man, when climbing on and off and in and out of coaches, boats, cars and planes or scrambling over rocks etc.

I am also told it is unobtrusive enough not to invite comment when visiting sporting events where big lenses are not welcomed

Well those are my excuses and I am sticking to them
Those are all appealing reasons to have this lens.If this was the lens range I mostly used, and I could afford it,I too would probably buy one
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Hi Ray,
What are the settings you use in your EOS 400D Has i have one and i am not happy with the results im getting.
Have you not got opanda exif viewer if not download it its free, then once installed all you do is right click on a photo and left click on view exif

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