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Old 07-03-2007, 12:17   #1 (permalink)
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Nikon D80 Problem! Please help! (Dark corners)

So yesterday I went to buy my D80, and it's my first SLR ever. (DSLR or SLR)

I am heading from Japan to Hawaii with my wife tomorrow afternoon, and the shop attendant advised me to take a lot of photos with it before I go so that I could exchange it if it had any problems.

So I headed out today and took a bunch of photos, mostly manual, but also taking a wide range of ISOs, shutter speeds, and the like, just to make sure everything works.

When I loaded up the photos, I noticed that some photos have particularly dark corners, and I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong, or if the camera has a problem or what.

Here is a link to the photos I'm talking about:
Flickr: Photos from peteer01

(About the camera: I was originally going to buy the 18-70 kit and the AF-S VR 70-300mm, but the 18-135 kit was less than $35 more, so at the store I decided to go with the 18-135. The photos in question are using the 18-135 lens that came in the D80 lens kit pack.)

So far I've only uploaded two photos, because they're pretty large files and the dark corners are the most obvious in these two because of the blue sky. I believe they were taken in "Auto", and the EXIF data is there, so I hope this is enough for someone to let me know if I've done something wrong or if the camera has a problem. (I noticed dark corners in the first photos I took yesterday inside, but I thought they might be from the flash...I can upload more photos if necessary.) Also, I had put the lens hood (or "Bayonet hood" or whatever that is called) that came with the 18-135 lens onto the lens in the two photos, but in the indoor photos yesterday

If I should return this for another one, let me know quickly so I can go do that tomorrow morning (Japan time) before I leave the country for a week!
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Old 07-03-2007, 12:33   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Nikon D80 Problem! Please help! (Dark corners)

It's vignetting and, I'm guessing as EXIF data wasn't there, was @ 18mm on that lens.

Do you have a filter on the front of the lens? It might be that - I'd be very surprised if either the lens or the lens hood led to vignetting
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It's the 18-135 lens, my one vignettes so bad it's embarassing.
It's not just your copy of the lens, they all do it.
I now advise the 18-70 over the 18-135 every time.
If you can? I suggest you take it back and swap it for the 18-70.
The only other alternative is to close the aperture down to f8! the downside of that is, your shutter speeds will be so low you will have to either tripod mount or use a higher iso.
Of course that in itself brings other problems!

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Can you see where I'm going here?
not another suggestion to clean the sensor with cif is it?
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Here is another thing I found out the hard way.
When the lens is fully extended with the lens hood fitted, the pop up flash is obscured by the lens/shade so, when doing close work with the flash, I found huge dark shadows on my pictures.

While I am on the subject of "issues" I have with the 18-135! I was suprised how difficult it was to hand hold at the 135mm end of the world. Most of my shots at shutter speeds of less than 1/250th were blurred so, unless you have a very steady hand? you may find a good number of your pictures not very sharp.

On a lighter note; you now have the benefit of my ineffable wisdom and you could choose workarounds for my findings, at least you won't be caught off guard like I was.

Hope that's of some help?
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not another suggestion to clean the sensor with cif is it?
I can't take credit for the CIF idea that was another genius on the forum!
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Yeah, it's not the filter. I was hoping it was that easy. I am using one. (I bought two Kenko 67mm "PRO1 Digital - PROTECTOR(W) <プロテクター・ワイド>" filters for the two lenses, at the recommendation of the store staff.) I was hoping it was as simple as the filter, so I took photos of the wall in my apartment with no flash and no hood and with the filter at 18mm and 135mm, then I took the same photos of the wall without the filter at 18mm and 135mm, and the problem still exists. Infact, there's very little, if any difference between the photos with and without the filter. And yeah, it's pretty bad...

Argh. I was hoping it'd be as simple as removing the filter.

I know there are trade offs with all lenses, and that's why I was going to get the 18-70 and 70-300 instead of the 18-200, but I changed to the 18-135 based on the negligable price difference. I'm amazed the vignetting on this lens is this bad at both 18 and 135! (It's more noticable on the almost-white wall than the blue sky.)

My thinking was that I would rarely be taking big zoom photos and normal photos at the same time, so I thought that for the same price, I'd be better of with a lens kit and the 70-300VR instead of the body only and the 18-200VR...but now I'm wondering if I've made the wrong decision or if I should have gone with the 18-70...or what.

I can absolutely appreciate the advice of going back to get the 18-70 instead of the 18-135...I'm assuming the lens takes as good or better photos just as fast or faster than the 18-135 and suffers from less vignetting? Any other advice? (Do other people think I should get the 18-70? Is there a big difference? Should have I have gone with the 18-200VR?) Any and all advice is appreciated!


(Also, if the EXIF data is helpful, I tried to post it, but it didn't work. I can repost it if someone needs/wants it.)
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I am sure plenty of people have an opinion on this.
Mine is based on experience of both the 18-70 and the 18-135.
My first D80 was fitted with the 18-70 and performed flawlessly in all situations.
Bear in mind I have only owned one 18-70 and one 18-135 but, given the choice again, I would be picking the 18-70 even if it was the same price as the 18-135.
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It's official! You have wisdom - and ineffable wisdom, too!
I am a touch suprised you did not recommend night shooting only!

Tell me the truth now! did you have to google that word?
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I am sure plenty of people have an opinion on this.
Mine is based on experience of both the 18-70 and the 18-135.
My first D80 was fitted with the 18-70 and performed flawlessly in all situations.
Bear in mind I have only owned one 18-70 and one 18-135 but, given the choice again, I would be picking the 18-70 even if it was the same price as the 18-135.
One other thing I thought might be worth asking is that the body kit in Japan is 101,800 or so, while the 18-70 kit is 127,800. I paid 131,800 for the 18-135 kit. Now, there's a 15% point kickback, which is to say I get approximately 18,000 of my next purchase(s) for buying them, so it's not as expensive as it sounds. The 30,000 I've spent on the lens in the lens kit...($258) or the 27,000 ($232) I'd spend for the 18-70 lens...is there a lens in that price range that would be better? I want to be able to take macro and 18mm photos, and make sure I have atleast through 70mm because that's where the VR telephoto starts.

Right now I'm leaning heavily towards the 18-70 kit...but I can't even head out to exchange it for another 12 hours, and I'd like as much info as I can get between now and then!

Also, incase I haven't expressed it properly...THANK YOU. It is really helpful to be able to get some good advice from you guys on this expensive purchase!
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Re: Nikon D80 Problem! Please help! (Dark corners)

There is no one lens solution and I don't really like to give advice on what to spend your money on.
You would do well to read the reviews and base your decision on what suits your needs best.
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Re: Nikon D80 Problem! Please help! (Dark corners)

Does anyone have any thoughts on how the Tamron AF 17-50mm f/2.8 SP XR Di II LD Aspherical [IF] (Nikon) would compare to the 18-70? 9Nikon)

The other lens I'd be interested in knowing more about is the Sigma 17-70mm DC Macro lens, which is in the same price range.

Does anyone have any hands on experience with either of those and one of the Nikon 18-70/18-135 lenses? I know that once I try to zoom with the 17-50, I could find that I don't have a range I might want and there could be a small area between 50-70 that neither lens fits...but I wanted to know if anyone had an opinion on either of those lenses, and if one might be a good option for me to consider?

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Re: Nikon D80 Problem! Please help! (Dark corners)

If I was you I'd go back and excange for the original set up you were considering: 18-70mm (I have this, decent little lens), and the AF-S VR 70-300, because that is a great lens, and then you have coverage from 18mm to 300mm (like I do now with my sigma 70-300). I would think about getting some other lenses before looking at wide-angle and macro, because these are quite specialist and don't really suit anything else apart from their dedicated areas as well as some other lenses might.
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I can't help with the original question, only having the 18-70 kit lens, but for the record, it also suffers from forground shadows being cast by the lens hood at the 18 end of the range when using the built-in flash.

I've not heard of anyone complaining about the 18-200 vignetting, so maybe another option?
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I am amazed to read that the Nikon 18-135 lens causes those problems AND it is considered to be a well know issue. How do Nikon get away with that?

Regarding the Tamron although I don't have that lens myself I have used the Canon fit variant of it and found it to work flawlessly on a 1.6xcrop Canon DSLR and almost flawlessly on a 1.3x Crop body. If you used a filter with it on the 1.3 crop body you did get a tiny amount of vignetting but I guess you should be fine on the 1.5x crop of the Nikon.

I do have the 28-75 variant of the same lens and the quality of the pictures is stunning for the money. The build quality is not as good as my other Canon lenses (L range) and the focus speed is a little slower but I honestly can't fault it for quality. How that compares to the Nikon build I couldn't tell you though.

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Re: Nikon D80 Problem! Please help! (Dark corners)

What I did:

First off, I am so glad that I bought this at a local Yodobashi Camera instead of a website or something similar.

They let me spend nearly two hours taking the a wide range of indoor shots in their store with my 18-135, the store's 18-135 and 18-70, and the Sigma 18-70 and 18-50 and the Tamron 17-50. I pretty quickly ruled out the Nikon lenses, because I didn't mind spending just an extra $100-200 to get a better lens. After playing with the Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 EX DC MACRO and the Tamron SP AF 17-50mm F/2.8 XR Di II LD Aspherical [IF], I decided to go with the Sigma.

(Having read the reviews of the Sigma and Tamron, I expected to go with the Tamron since it was similar but less expensive if I was going to chooose a 50mm zoom...but the reduced vignetting of the Sigma and the improved macro functions were two points that helped change my mind after using it.) I did pick up the Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 EX DC MACRO as my primary lens for the camera.

A big thank you to everyone that provided some support, especially SoupDragon...if I had paid more attention to his posts before buying the camera, I wouldn't have had to go through the exchange process in the first place!

I think the F2.8 lens will provide more benefits than just improved vignetting, and I'm hoping I can eventually get good enough that I'll be glad to have spent the extra money to not go with a kit lens.
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I am really glad you got the problem sorted in time for your holiday. Enjoy Hawaii and and don't forget to come back to Pixalo on your return and share some of your photos

Have a safe trip
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I can't help with the original question, only having the 18-70 kit lens, but for the record, it also suffers from forground shadows being cast by the lens hood at the 18 end of the range when using the built-in flash.

I've not heard of anyone complaining about the 18-200 vignetting, so maybe another option?
I am a new D80 owner, with 18-200 lens. I took a number of practice shots yesterday on P, S, A and M settings and have some very bad vignetting. On auto there is none, which tells me I have to play around with the manual settings and invest in a lens hood (which Iwas not using). Anyway, the point is that here is one who has experienced exactly this problem with the 18-200, which right now I find a disappointing lens - but I am new to it.
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Re: Nikon D80 Problem! Please help! (Dark corners)

Do you mean the 18-200 VR? My friend has that and it's leaps and bounds better than the 18-70 or 18-135 for vignetting...but I don't doubt it can still be pretty bad. However, unlike the 18-135 kit lens, he's been able to get some really great photos out of it at 18mm with considerably less vignetting.

(To post the results form PhotoZone on the three Nikons mentioned in this thread [18-70, 18-135 and 18-200] here they are for f3.5 and f5.6:

18-70 1.60 0.68
18-135 1.57 0.81
18-200 1.28 0.61

Not sure how accurately those numbers translate into real world experience with manual settings, but vignetting on my photos on "auto" with the 70 and 135 lenses were horrid compared to photos my friend (also D80) gets with his 200 under the same circumstances. Perhaps the VR compensation allows it to use better apeture settings on auto? No clue.
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I am really glad you got the problem sorted in time for your holiday. Enjoy Hawaii and and don't forget to come back to Pixalo on your return and share some of your photos
Alright, I've loaded some photos onto flickr, and I'd really like some feedback.

I made a new thread with the link, and explained what kind of feedback I'm looking for, so if anyone has interest in seeing the photos, please check out this thread:
http://www.pixalo.com/community/gene...tml#post116859
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Re: Nikon D80 Problem! Please help! (Dark corners)

Hindsight is great... just came across this post to help me find a solution to my dark-corner problem on my D80 with a 18-135 Nikon lens. My heart sank, as I bought the kit at the airport and I'm going to have real problems taking it back.

I've posted three pictures on SmugMug - steady : Dark Corners. Not withstanding the discussion above, any comments people have would be really useful. (EXIF data is with the pictures and try to ignore the compostion, these are just good examples of my dark corners).
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Re: Nikon D80 Problem! Please help! (Dark corners)

Sadly, there's not much you can do aside from post-processing and/or changing your setting to adjust for the lens to minimize the vignetting.

One thing I can recommend is DxO. Someone pointed that software out to me, and I'm very impressed. It's very good at auto correcting vignetting, and if you don't have a lot of experience with post processing SW, I'd suggest DxO as a good piece of SW to look into.
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I've tried the tool in Photoshop elements, but that has mexed results. Looking at the price of DxO I might as well just go buy a new lens! I've fitted the lens hood now and that does actually make a difference.
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Re: Nikon D80 Problem! Please help! (Dark corners)

DxO IS expensive. However, it also comes with a 21-day trial that lets you use it to process batchs of up to 50 photos, and the results (with vignetting) are very impressive if the lens is in DxO's DB, and I believe it is for that kit lens.

I'm not suggesting you buy the software (In fact, I wish they knew more people like you and I would buy the SW if they lowered the price) but I think you'll find the 21 day trial worth the download. (Just the demo for me as well. I took out my CC after using the demo, realized it was more than $100, and put the CC back in my wallet.)
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