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Old 26-07-2014, 15:05   #1 (permalink)
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Nikon D800 and faster Flash Sync

Hi All, great weather, brings the 'bugs' out in the garden.
Anyway a small query; my manual for the D800 says it can sync flash guns up to 1/250sec if it is an iTTL flash gun. I bought it a few years back a Metz 50 AF-1 which according to the book does iTTL on the Nikons; yeah ok it was cheaper and 'seemed' to do everything the current Nikon Flashgun did at the time think it was the SB800, but I have not been able to figure out this faster flash sync speed, tried all the programs on the camera; A,S,P even M and the flash gun, M TTL and TTL-BL, I did manage to get a faster speed but, the shots were so under exposed they weren't worth looking at.
Any ideas on 'simple' set-ups for this camera and flashgun please so I am not always in 1/60sec flash sync speed.
Would love to be able to part-ex it for a SB-900 but not got the money at the moment, but then would I have the same problems?
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Re: Nikon D800 and faster Flash Sync

On my D700 you can sync up to 1/320 I think, but I've never used it that fast. I have used around 1/200 - 1/250 when using TTL BL fill though and for that I'm pretty sure that I used A mode. Just kept an eye on the shutter speeds as the light changed to ensure that it did not get too high.

On the D700 there are menu options for setting the max and min sync speeds. Custom setting menu>e bracketing/flash>e1 and e2. Must be the same on the D800 I would have thought.
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Re: Nikon D800 and faster Flash Sync

Yes there are settings on the D800 up 1/350th sec I think, but am having trouble getting the Metz and the D800 to work that way, perhaps I just haven't found the right combo for it.
I was reading Thom Hogan's book re the D800 and he suggests that you can only use the Nikon Speedlites or the pop-up flash, I tried the pop-up and I got 1/180th sec, but will have to sit quietly with the book or rather the PDF on the iPad, would have preferred a paper book, I'll add to this post if I suss it out.

What Flash are using with the D700 to get that sync speed?

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Re: Nikon D800 and faster Flash Sync

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What Flash are using with the D700 to get that sync speed?

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I've got 2 SB800s and an SB900. Maybe it is the flash. Can you borrow a Nikon one to compare?

I see that you are in Hertfordshire. Maybe we can meet up for a trial?
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Re: Nikon D800 and faster Flash Sync

That would be good Graham, I'm about 8 miles from you; Snorbins
St Albans but soon to be (hopefully) Norfolk; damn Mortgage lenders, no not mine I won't need one, my buyers
I'm away till Monday PM but if you want to email me, think you can get that from my details, we can sort a meeting out.
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Re: Nikon D800 and faster Flash Sync

Verulamium park? I can do Mon - Wed while the schools are out.
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Re: Nikon D800 and faster Flash Sync

sounds good, will have to be Wednesday I think Graham; which entrance? Westminster Lodge is a paid car park, well they all are DOH! and I think the layby near Waitrose is always full. so probably the Museum one would be better.
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PM and text sent. 11am in the museum car park? we can have a wander round and a coffee in the cafe.
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Re: Nikon D800 and faster Flash Sync

Coming late on this, the D800 will sync at all speeds up to 1/8000 but the result is as you might expect - a fraction of the light that you can get at 1/250 sec. This sync will only work with an external flash and not with the built-in unit where only 1/250sec is possible.

I don't have the camera to hand at the moment so I cannot say which menu item you need, but look in flash settings in the custom bank. There you will find you can set the sync speed above 1/250 (1/320). What happens is that the flash duration from the external flash is extended over the whole shutter cycle so that you can choose a sync speed - a little like 'M' setting if you can go back that far when bulbs had to be triggered well in advance of the shutter opening in order to be able to develop there maximum brilliance when the shutter opened. The electronic flash doesn't have the problem of developing brilliance but needs to be long enough to allow the shutter to open and close.

The fastest flash cycle for the D800 is 1/250 sec so that at 1/250 sec the shutter is fully open. At any higher speed the shutter cycle is still only 1/250sec but a higher shutter speed is achieved by using a travelling slot that gets narrower with a higher shutter speed, and the shutter is never fully open. With flash guns that fire short flashes you will only get a part of the picture exposed at anything above 1/250sec, depending on the sync mechanism of the camera and the position of the second curtain when the flash fires. To cover the complete action of the shutter and avoid getting only a slot, the flash must fire for long enough. Nikon flashes do this, but as above you only get a reduced exposure because you are cutting down the amount of light provided by the flash when it syncs at 1/250sec.

Nikon set an automatic exposure when using P and A modes. This is 1/60 sec. In order to be able to fire at higher shutter speeds you need to be using S or M modes.

I am not certain about the Metz but having used Metz in the past I would expect it to behave similar to the Nikon spec and provide a long flash over the duration of the shutter action.

I hope this sorts out your query for you.
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