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Old 21-06-2008, 16:32   #1 (permalink)
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IS or not?

i am looking to another lens, i,m new to digital i have a 40d with a 17/85 and the 50 mm , i have only had this about 2 months.
i have read about the 70/200 L AND THE 70/300 AF F4/5.6 IS. Now both are about the same price £314 and £309 , i would like to ask this question to you guys [ the ones with experience ] does the IS really help ,i don't have a tripod and don't fancy one ,and rather have the L series lens . i want the sharpest photos i can get, and feel that i need the IS [ or do i ?] .
i would hate to think that i bought the L lens to find out that my shots were blurred because of lack of IS, or the other side of the coin, i bought the IS lens to find that i am not getting the sharpness i require,, i hope this is making sense.

thanks for trying to understand what i'm trying to say
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Old 21-06-2008, 16:49   #2 (permalink)
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Re: IS or not?

suck it up and get the 70-200 f/2.8 IS - or the minimum I would go for is the 70-200 f/4 IS.

Both are extremely sharp and yes IS does help. You pay for good glass but the flip side is it is very slow to depreciate.
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Re: IS or not?

Here's a photo taken wide-open (f/5.6) at 300mm with the 70-300 IS - hand-held using IS...



And this is a 100% crop...



Those are as they came out of the RAW converter, with no additional sharpening etc.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't go for the L glass, but I am more than satisfied with the 70-300 IS which also, of course, gives greater reach. And yes, the IS makes a tremendous difference.
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Re: IS or not?

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Here's a photo taken wide-open (f/5.6) at 300mm with the 70-300 IS - hand-held using IS...



And this is a 100% crop...



Those are as they came out of the RAW converter, with no additional sharpening etc.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't go for the L glass, but I am more than satisfied with the 70-300 IS which also, of course, gives greater reach. And yes, the IS makes a tremendous difference.

Great shot - but f/5.6 can be quite limiting - it depends on what the main use of the lens will be .....
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Old 21-06-2008, 17:31   #5 (permalink)
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Re: IS or not?

ok a challange any shots at 200 mm without IS and hand held by the way love the cat i have some good cat shots myself but not entered a gallery yet
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Old 21-06-2008, 17:36   #6 (permalink)
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ok a challange any shots at 200 mm without IS and hand held by the way love the cat i have some good cat shots myself but not entered a gallery yet
Here are some. They are just test shots in very low light. You might want to read the whole thread to get the context.
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Old 21-06-2008, 17:55   #7 (permalink)
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Re: IS or not?

ok read the full text interesting but nothing seemed to allert me to , is ,IS better than none IS , all though the thread was good ,sorry nothing there .
As for your shots ,i know it was just a test but if thats the best quality, sorry i should say sharpness, then i think it's the L lens without IS would be the way to go , but with the lens you have would IS improved the shot? maybe ! any way thanks, if i am talking crap thats down to my inexperience
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Old 21-06-2008, 18:41   #8 (permalink)
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Re: IS or not?

I just posted the link in response to this:

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ok a challange any shots at 200 mm without IS and hand held:thumb
They are 200mm hand-held shots with no IS, as requested. I do not possess any stabilised lenses to try a comparison. I guess they are not so sharp, but in the gloom that they were shot in, I think they are not bad - especially the ones taken at 1/40th and 1/30th - admittedly I was bracing myself, but even so.....

I've got some others taken in better light, but not processed them yet. I'll try to get one or two up later tonight or tomorrow - just going out now.
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Old 21-06-2008, 18:47   #9 (permalink)
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Re: IS or not?

I don't have the lenses mentioned and so can only make a general opinion. I now have IS and think it is very useful and would rather have it than not but it is not a panacea for all your camera shake problems.
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Re: IS or not?

I don't have any L-glass optics so can't compare to those.
I do have the Sigma 70-300mm F4-5.6 DG APO Macro and the Canon EF 70-300mm F4-5.6 IS USM, and the difference between those two is remarkable.

Before I decided on the IS lens, I google'd and found this page: Test Shots
Shows pretty well the differences.
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Re: IS or not?

Right - here are another two also taken at about the same time in the evening, but this time with the last rays of sunlight rather than thick cloud cover.

Both were hand held and taken at about double the 'recommended' shutter speed for 200mm. the first was 1/125 and the second 1/100. Both ISO 200.




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Re: IS or not?

I would recommend going for the larger aperture lens over the IS if you can get it. At 200mm an f/2.8 lens is already letting in an additional 2 stops of light over and above an f/5.6 lens.

Having said that, the DOF you get from f/2.8 @ 200mm is pretty shallow so you have to ask yourself what you are going to be using the lens for. If you are mainly going to be shooting at f/5.6 or smaller then you may as well go for the IS lens.
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Re: IS or not?

Assuming money is not a consideration then I would apply some simple logic. If you haven't got IS then you can't use it - if you have got IS then you can choose whether to use it or not
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Re: IS or not?

I have the 70-200 f2.8IS and the f4 non IS. Ignoring the fact the f4 doesn't get used very much, IS is VERY handy for 'static' shots. By that I mean shots were you don't need fast shutter speeds to freeze the action.

If you have the pennies I'd say the 70-200 f4IS then the 70-300 then 70-200 non IS.
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Re: IS or not?

hi guys
thanks for all your input, so it comes down to what you can afford eh!.
i think if you can afford the IS then go for it ,if you can't well you can't, get the non IS. MMMMM, there is definetly arguments on both sides.
i think i'll wait and save untill i can't wait any longer for a lens and buy what ever i can afford whether it's an IS or NOT, there again

oh . dabhand you rose to the challenge well and proved that a non IS lens ,, you can get a sharp result
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I sold my 70-200 f4L IS and bought the f2.8 non IS and I've found the shots improved with the extra apeture. I found the IS slowed the focus down for the type of action shots I take.
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oh . dabhand you rose to the challenge well and proved that a non IS lens ,, you can get a sharp result
Thanks I'm not suggesting that these are top line images, just that in poor conditions, and working on the edge of the ability the lens you can get something. If I was looking at getting a lens for 'mainstream' use, rather than for a holiday/lightweight traveling light kit, I might not have gone for this particular lens. I do have a Sigma 70-200 f2.8 for when I'm out with photography in mind.

In good 'normal' lighting, I'm confident that the results from the 18-200 would be much better, and I still think for around £200, for the use I want it for, it offers good value.
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OK - last ones now as we have had some sun today. Neither has had any processing at all - straight from the camera (D70s)

This one was matrix metered, hand held 200mm



This one was metered from the car, but taken straight after the other one from the same place 200mm hand held and has been cropped and enlarged to the same size as the first one.

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Re: IS or not?

I just ordered a 70-200 f2.8 IS for my new camera but have been very happy with the sharpness and utility of the 70-300mmIS for years with my 20D.

There's a full resolution shot of this on pbase so you can see just how sharp the 70-300mm IS is.

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Re: IS or not?

Some useful pics using IS in this thread http://www.pixalo.com/community/gene...nse-25386.html I'm very pleased with the Porsche shot (towards the bottom) as that's 300mm @ 1/60 which I'd never have managed without IS

But I'd go for f/2.8 before IS but ideally both!
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only one thing i cant understand is where the idea came from that you cant get a sharp pic from a non IS lens.............. what did all the photographers do before they had the choice of IS?
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only one thing i cant understand is where the idea came from that you cant get a sharp pic from a non IS lens.............. what did all the photographers do before they had the choice of IS?
Good point Fi

I guess that the technology does allow similar sharpness that you would get from good light/high shutter speeds in low light and the necessary slow shutter speeds. The old-time photographers would not have got (not even bothered) to use their kit in the situations that they knew would not give a decent result. If they were offered the chance to shoot 3or 4 stops slower and still get a result, I don't think they would have turned it down.

I think IS is just a tool that has its uses, but many think it is indispensable.
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thats my point Graham, I am nto for one mi nute saying that we shouldnt use it IF its avaiable, but its by no means an absolute neccesity. and to think that you have to have IS to get a sharp image is as far from the truth as flying pigs and pink elephants.

Of course the great phtographers of old would have relished the chance of something that made their lieves easier, but again they did cope without it, as do many of us still nowadays.
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only one thing i cant understand is where the idea came from that you cant get a sharp pic from a non IS lens.............. what did all the photographers do before they had the choice of IS?
Back in the old days we simply wouldn't take the shot because we knew it wouldn't work. With IS however, I've done usable (if not perfectly sharp) shots at 300mm and 1/13th of a second.

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