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Old 22-07-2009, 12:01   #1 (permalink)
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I have a Canon 200mm f2.8 L Mark 2 which I don't use and I'm going to trade it in to LCE for either a Tamron 18-270mm or Sigma 18-250mm. The deal is very similar for both lenses.

Which of the two should I go for? I'd be using the new one as a general carry lens on my 40d .

I've read Silkstone's Tamron review but can't find anything on the Sigma. Can anyone please help me make the right choice?

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Old 22-07-2009, 17:43   #2 (permalink)
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Well, first things first: don't trade it in. You're likely get a much better price for it on eBay. If you're not an experienced seller, scout around for advice on how to present your offer, there's a lot out there.

If you're used to the quality that an L-series prime lens is capable of, you're likely to be pretty disappointed with an independent superzoom. Certainly, such designs have come on a great deal in recent years but you can only bend the laws of physics so far and a 12:1 zoom covering an APS-C sensor is so close to the edge as to need a lifebelt.

If you really feel that it's still the route for you, pay the extra to go to a decent dealer and use your mail order rights to test them both out, returning the one you like the least (if not both, when you've seen what you actually get for your money) See here for all the rules that mail order companies in the UK must adhere to: The Office of Fair Trading: Distance Selling Regulations
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Old 23-07-2009, 10:33   #3 (permalink)
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I am not a Canon user! but you must be mad to do this, keep the lens, just buy a short quality zoom Canon of course!
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Old 23-07-2009, 11:48   #4 (permalink)
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I'm sensing a lack of enthusiasm. What's the problem with substituting a wide-range zoom for a fixed focal length prime. I understand the Tamron 18-270mm is good in its class from reviews I've read and possibly so is the Sigma 18-250mm, too. Most times I would prefer to carry the camera with one lens not be weighed down with a bag of kit.

If as Des Gardner suggests a short quality zoom is the answer I already have a Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 but I need something with a bit more reach. However an additional zoom to complement this short-range Sigma would involve carrying two lenses which is want I want to avoid.

So, what are the options for a single carry zoom lens? Des G suggests Canon but isn't specific. Any ideas anyone?
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Re: Prime to Zoom

As I tried to explain above, the quality in an independent's wide range zoom is going to be way below that of a marque's highest quality prime. Think cheapest shank of beef versus finest Scottish fillet steak. They'll both fill you up but you'll probably notice a difference. Still, it's your money and only you can decide what you really want.
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Old 23-07-2009, 14:47   #6 (permalink)
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As I tried to explain above, the quality in an independent's wide range zoom is going to be way below that of a marque's highest quality prime. Think cheapest shank of beef versus finest Scottish fillet steak. They'll both fill you up but you'll probably notice a difference. Still, it's your money and only you can decide what you really want.
Yes, I take your point and I agree. It's a question of quality,convenience and cost.
I knew it would involve a loss of quality but I would gain an ability to cover most situations without bulking up my carry-load.

Perhaps, I should sell the F2.8 200mm and buy a second-hand Canon 24-105mm - better quality but less versatile. This may sit better with my other lenses.
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Old 24-07-2009, 09:27   #7 (permalink)
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Well I would go for a 18-200 as a one only carry everwhere lens, if it really is a must but I would not sell the 200mm Canon you will get little for it unless you sell private,is that a better answer?
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Thanks Des,
I'm off to Leamington Spa today for the Ladies National Bowls Championship finals all next week (my wife's doing the bowling).
I'll take my Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 and Canon 70-200mm F4 L and see how I manage with those two lenses which have a good spread plus I'll stick in my Canon 50mm F1.4 in case of indoor shots in available light. It's a biggish load though but the car will be within walking distance.
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Re: Prime to Zoom

I've got the Tammy 18-270 and like it as a general lens because of the range. It gets good reviews (seems to come out slightly ahead of the Siggy). Slightly soft images, but nothing that can't be fixed. HOWEVER, KEEP THE CANON.
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If you have the 70-200 F4 and the 200 2.8 and you find that you don't use the 200 2.8 much so long as it's a good deal for the 200 I'd think about the swap if you want a general walk around lens. The 200 F4 is great optically. I'd try both. I did try a Tamron 18-270 and found the focusing pretty poor most tests are on the optical quality but the speed of focusing and hunting at the long end drove me mad. I may well give the sigma a go so long as it's HSM.

Incidentally to Tanjenta I can't find anywhere that has compared the Sigma to the Tamron back to back yet as the Sigma is so new. David Kilpatrick in July's Master Photo Digital tested it and concluded
"If you need a Superzoom for your 50D 500D D300 or whatever I can not recommend any lens more highly than this. It's a completely different class of glass and Sigma has worked to create strengths where weaknesses were common."
He did not compare it to the Tamron though just the equivalent Nikon and Canon 18-200 and the Sony 18-250.

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I have a Canon 200mm f2.8 L Mark 2 which I don't use and I'm going to trade it in to LCE for either a Tamron 18-270mm or Sigma 18-250mm. The deal is very similar for both lenses.

Which of the two should I go for? I'd be using the new one as a general carry lens on my 40d .

I've read Silkstone's Tamron review but can't find anything on the Sigma. Can anyone please help me make the right choice?

You must be crazy, i use mine all the time i would never swap for one of those
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Thanks Des,
I'm off to Leamington Spa today for the Ladies National Bowls Championship finals all next week (my wife's doing the bowling).
I'll take my Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 and Canon 70-200mm F4 L and see how I manage with those two lenses which have a good spread plus I'll stick in my Canon 50mm F1.4 in case of indoor shots in available light. It's a biggish load though but the car will be within walking distance.

Take the 200mm and shoot wide open and see the difference
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From experience: keep the prime lens!!! Go and get a part time job if necessary to buy this wnated zoom, but please do not get rid of the prime lens.
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Re: Prime to Zoom

After all the advise I decided to keep the 200mm f2.8 prime and I've been using it at lawn bowls matches. It's a great focal length for shots at the other end of the green.

Thanks for all your views and opinions.
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