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Old 06-03-2012, 10:50   #1 (permalink)
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Thinking about a carry 1 lens that does anything for hiking with. Ideally for capturing landscapes.

Thinking something in a 28-200mm range of zoom. I doubt with this the quality will be L class, but would like something that gives a reasonably good image. Any recommendations ? or is this range of zoom bad full stop. Should I instead carry a 50-70-200 with my 17-40 as well ?
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Old 06-03-2012, 12:18   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Super Zoom Lens

You are right to think that the quality of a super zoom will not match primes or lenses with around 3:1 zoom ratios, but with modern designs the differences are not as big as they used to be and for most purposes they perform well.

I use my D300 with a Nikkor 18-200 as a holiday/travel kit and the combination has given me some good results. Previously I used a basic non stabilised Sigma 18-200 on my D70s, and I only got the Nikkor as I was given a voucher for a well known shop and they had an offer on too. Had these circumsances not happened I would have been very happy to have kept the Sigma. Sure, it had limits, but knowing where they were enabled me to work around them. I posted some tests at the time including low light with what I thought were acceptable results.

The latest Tamron 18-270 is worth consideration, but if you don't need the reach there are several 18-200 lenses that will be cheaper. If you want to tailor a lens more to landscape use rather than general purpose maybe a lens with a shorter range would suit you better and will be cheaper still. I'm thinking about the 18-70/85 range.
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Re: Super Zoom Lens

The nearest I have in my kit, to a general purpose lens, is the 18-135mm f3.2 IS that came with my 7D. I haven't really used it much so far. I'm planning to tour my local county (East Lothian) over the summer, and rather than carry my own body weight in kit, I thought to finally giving this lens a full workout. Any thoughts or experience of using it? I realise it's the 7D kit lens but I get the impression it's a step up from older kit lens.
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Re: Super Zoom Lens

If it is mostly landscapes you are after I cannot recommend the Canon 15-85mm highly enough, it is as sharp as my 70-300L and takes cracking pictures. It also doubles as my Macro or close up lens as well and the IS is excellent. 2mm more on the wide end and 45 on the long might just do the trick over your 17-40L.

If you want more range I used to have the old Tamron 18-270mm which was a true all rounder but not L glass IQ as you would expect but still very good though. The new PDZ version is even smaller and lighter and it has come down from £640 to £440. Another thought is, a couple of the guys at my club use and are very happy with the Canon 18-200mm and the pictures they have entered into competitions look very good.

I am out walking a lot and tend to either pick my 15-85mm or my 70-300L but very rarely both as I like to travel light and even when I have taken both I can't remember swapping.

If you haven’t got one already get a Blackrapid sling or similar off 3bay it is a must and it makes carrying a camera on a walk a pleasure not a pain.
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Nice to see Pinnacle supporting my thoughts

I reviewed the e-bay version of the Black Rapid system here:

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Re: Super Zoom Lens

Using a 16-85mm myself for a walk about. Sometimes I would like a longer lens but the W/A is adequate, and for 90% of the time the lens OK. I have an old lightweight manual focus 80-200 that I can pack as well if necessary. The advantage to one all rounder is that you can kit it out as you want with regard to filters - e.g. only one polarizing to carry. The trouble is a hike is rarely a landscape tour. It often ends up being a wildlife adventure and a macro field study course. And then question gets recycled ... what do you take ?

What you decide with regard to carrying the camera is purely personal with regard to convenience versus protection. Here, I am not a believer in using the tripod mount to swing 3+kg loose. I had it demonstrated to me and it was enough to decide that for my style of hiking (clambering over rocks, and on icy slopes etc.) it would not work. The risk is too great. The original Hasselblad neck strap is not unlike the Black Rapid and I agree it makes the lens and camera hang very comfortably, but having nearly cracked the 'blad just going over a style when I was considerably younger and more agile, I am quite happy to use a top loader for such a camera combination. Needs to be big enough to take the lens with hood mounted. It has a secondary advantage that the lens is always carried at the W/A zoom and does not creep. So there is no risk that the extended zoom gets a thump. As said this is personal but just my viewpoint.
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Re: Super Zoom Lens

I don't think I've ever walked/hiked with a single lens but I guess I'd take the 15-85 as it performs remarkably well.

If I'm on a serious walk with the mutt I just take the G11 but if it's likely to be even slightly photogenic, I'll take 15-85 for GVs, 10-20 for waterfalls/features, 105 for macros (which means tripod too) and 150-500 for wildlife (which means 1.4x TC too). Use Tamrac strap and swap to the clips instead of neckstrap, clipping to harness (and using chest strap prevents camera swinging when crossing rivers/boulders). Keeps me vaguely fit!
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Re: Super Zoom Lens

my walkabout lens is the 24 - 105mmL but if im anywhere near landscapes i will invariably have my 10-22mm with me, My OH however swears by his 28 - 300mm L and when he caught the passing tornado and compared it to my blot on the landscape when in the highlands the other week i can see why it is so handy, the weight for me however is a negative factor.
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Re: Super Zoom Lens

I have the same issues and have heard good things about the 15 - 85. At present I carry everything, which is a chore. Like Fiona I use my 10 - 20 Siggy for landscapes and recently missed a muntjack deer I came face to face with, then a flight of geese and then two fox cubs playing in the sea, all on the same walk, due to having the wrong lens!!!. The Canon 55 - 250mm is basic but with IS and has produced some nice results and the mk 1 can by bought for a little over £100. If I was sure I would stay with my 7d I would look at the 15 - 85 or the newer Tamron. Regards
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Unfortunately, IMHO, there is no such thing as an all-purpose lens. OK, there are lenses which cover most focal lengths but always at a price. I once had the Tamron 18-200 - that and lenses of similar ilk will only produce high IQ in good light (bright sunlight) and invariably do not give a true long or short end, if you know what I mean and certainly won't get you that stag on the other side of the valley. However, the Tamron did cover me on a holiday and I got some good images at a variety of FL but I had perma-sun all day, every day.

To cover everything I used to be a bit like Markulous the Sherpa. FF with a 16-35, crop with a 100-400 and, like Fiona, a 24-105 to cover the bit in the middle. Nowadays my walkabout is a 24-105 on my only camera with a 10-22 and 100-400 in the boot. Since the latter is like a piece of drainpipe and weighs as much I've just bought a 70-200 f4 IS which exhibits superb IQ but you still need a WA in your pocket.

Forgive my wanderings - to summarise you will always sacrifice something to have that elusive "all-in-one" lens and the trick is to find the best compromise you can. If I was buying something I would have a serious look at the Tamron 18-270 but my compromise is the 24-105. HTH.
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Stephano. I would be interested in your experience with the 70 - 200 f/4 IS as I have read it has better IQ than either the non IS version of the same lens or the non IS 70 - 200 f/2.8. Clearly the 70 - 200 f/2.8 IS would be nice but the price is the same as a D700.
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Stephano. I would be interested in your experience with the 70 - 200 f/4 IS as I have read it has better IQ than either the non IS version of the same lens or the non IS 70 - 200 f/2.8. Clearly the 70 - 200 f/2.8 IS would be nice but the price is the same as a D700.
We looked at the 70-200 f/4 IS and then rented it for a week followed by a week of the 70-200 f/2.8 non-IS. I preferred the latter so when a well priced s/h one came up on fleaBay, snagged it. Use it for outdoor pets - rarely take it on an 'out and about'. OH preferred the IS, so she uses one of those (another s/h bargain!). The one I rather lust after is the newer MkII f/2.8 IS which is better still!
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Stephano. I would be interested in your experience with the 70 - 200 f/4 IS as I have read it has better IQ than either the non IS version of the same lens or the non IS 70 - 200 f/2.8. Clearly the 70 - 200 f/2.8 IS would be nice but the price is the same as a D700.
I can't personally compare with other 70-200 lenses although I am more than happy with the IQ of mine. I read a lot before buying and it seems that the non-IS f4 lens is sharp but you need a tripod to achieve it. Clearly the 2.8 has the low light capability and the IS version should produce the best IQ of all if handheld. In my case, I rarely use a tripod so went for the IS and I didn't want the weight of another piece of drainpipe so got the f4. I think most reviews will say that the f4 IS is probably the best value for money of that family.
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Well thanks for all the replies. There certainly some food for thought.

I suppose I should clarify - by hiking I mean including clambering over rocks and mountains, as well as easier walking (when you can take more or leave in the boot). So I want to keep the kit as light as possible.

Like the strap idea - though I have a "photo vest" - (Army Surplus top) to stuff in a lens / water / food / etc. Have the tripod (if carrying) on a strap.

Now wondering if a 70-200/300 might be an idea with an older small wider angler lens and some adapter for the wide. The 17-40 is fairly large comparing to older manual lenses.
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Is that a fisheye lens?

This is how I used to do it:
Camera bag (Tamrac Pro8) suspended from D rings for camera and a couple of lenses + essentials (chocolate, bananas, etc) - GPSr, mobile, gloves (3 pairs!) and hat clipped to outside. Backpack contained other lenses, tripod, 2 litre Platypus water container (with the tube/mouthpiece) and spare top, food, etc. Out all day in wind, rain and snow (but haven't done that for a couple of years now - opportunity as well as decrepitude! )


Nowadays, my assistant helps to carry stuff:
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A fisheye is certain a wider angler lens!

I used to carry --- two camera bodys, macro lens (100mm, 65mm) , macroflash, 130-400mm lens, 17-40mm, filters, scissor, batteries, drink(s), food, waterproof clothing, beanbag etc => all in a Tamrac 8 bag. Plus tripod.

It's just too much now. My back just won't take the weight. I suspect its carrying this load that helped it out.

I must get an assistant too.
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the 28 - 300mm L is certainly out if you have back problems, it makes the 100 -400 feel like a feather.
I usually have the 70 - 200 F4 IS in the big camera bag int he car, this is another cracking lens cannot fault it, never compared it to the f2.8 but certainly much better than the non ISf4. which is still a decent lens.
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Thanks for that info on the weight. Something I will have to take into account.
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Trouble with superzooms is that they test optical physics-any more than 3 times focal length,and quality suffers-Image quality just isn't there-comparable to superzooms on compact cameras,(eg: Fuji;Canon;Sony;Panasonic)
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