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Old 16-05-2007, 08:18   #1 (permalink)
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Talking of Nikon D200s - Fuji S5 Pro

Ever since Focus back at the beginning of the year when I handled the Fuji S5 Pro I've been watching what 'togs make of this camera.

I was impressed with it (well, as impressed as anyone can be looking at a camera in a crowded venue with a queue to "have a go") and if anything tempts me out of Sigma, it could be this. My initial thoughts were that you needed a degree in "buttonology" seeing as my Sigma has only a few, with even less in the way of "bells and whistles" (well, none really - just the essential: mirror lockup, bracketting, exp lock, etc)

Being a D200 body means that it has all the advantages of this excellent packaging - and weather sealing especially attracts me; not for rain, but for condensation from early morning breath as I gaze through the viewfinder which has not exactly improved my Sigma! Then, of course, there's the full range of Nikon lenses available. But it's the Fuji "treatment" that tips the balance: excellent dynamic range and seemingly total lack of noise (even at ISO3200 when there's v little)

So, anyone else thing of going the S5 route?

It's getting uncomfortable sitting on this fence - do I jump to the Sigma SD14 or to the Fuji S5 Pro?
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Re: Talking of Nikon D200s - Fuji S5 Pro

Have you seen the S5 v D200 shoot-out in this months DP mag?

I could leave it there, but I'll put you out of your misery. They gave the nod to the Nikon. Also, one of the pros I work with was considering the S5, but for his use it was not fast enough.
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Have you seen the S5 v D200 shoot-out in this months DP mag?

I could leave it there, but I'll put you out of your misery. They gave the nod to the Nikon. Also, one of the pros I work with was considering the S5, but for his use it was not fast enough.
I haven't but I will be now! Thanks! I'd be surprised if I agree with it - especially if it puts undue emphasis on the speed. I've never found speed a problem - maybe "machine gunners" should time their shots a bit better!

You should see how my current Sigma SD10 stacks up against other cameras - slow, lack of JPGs, blah, blah. Yet I seem to get the shots (personal and commissioned) and with that touch of extra quality that Foveon (and, of course, my skill! LOL!) brings!
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<snip> maybe "machine gunners" should time their shots a bit better!
Try saying that to the sports shooter who needs to capture 'that' moment as the football rockets across the goal line, or ice hockey photographers trying to do the same with a puck travelling at 100mph

In such instances machine-gunning the shutter is sometimes the only way to capture the peak action; of course, you still need to spot it and anticipate it so that you're catching the action as it starts.
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Re: Talking of Nikon D200s - Fuji S5 Pro

For my money, the S5 is more a camera suited to portrait, wedding and studio photographers - it's certainly not responsive enough in framerate for PJ use, even though it's extended dynamic range feature would come in really handy in a lot of PJ situations.

Hopefully Fuji will continue to refine their technology and perhaps an S6 won't be too far off; if they could make a larger sensor (1.3x or FF) and up the data channel rate to support around 4 ~ 5 fps, then they'd have a camera that a lot of folk would be scrambling to buy.

As it stands the S5 is set to be hugely popular with a lot of photographers that don't need speed. I for one wouldn't purchase a D200 (too similar to my D2X's) but I'd take a serious look at an S5 if I wanted something a little different.
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For my money, the S5 is more a camera suited to portrait, wedding and studio photographers
You missed out landscape, quite possibly the best use for that dynamic range!

I was being a little tongue in cheek with the speed issue - agree re. PJ but just that you do come across them that take multi-burst shots when one or two more carefully thought out would be so much better!
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Re: Talking of Nikon D200s - Fuji S5 Pro

DP also critisised the S5 sensor arrangement, the fine details escape me at the moment, but something to do with it making up the 14MB or whatever it is but using three smaller ones for the RGB channels or something like that.

I should also point out that my mate's need for speed was in the writing speed to the card that would inhibit it for his use.
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I was being a little tongue in cheek with the speed issue - agree re. PJ but just that you do come across them that take multi-burst shots when one or two more carefully thought out would be so much better!
That would have been me when I was starting out in PJ work

What I ended up with was an horrendous amount of files to sift through with often four or five shots in a sequence being virtually identical; it took me a while to re-learn the lessons that shooting with 35mm film hands down to you - the very frugality of double-checking your composition before you press the shutter and timing your shots carefully.

There are still a few instances where I need to shoot at 5fps to ensure I bag the right capture, but those times are a rarity as opposed to the rule now.
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DP also critisised the S5 sensor arrangement, the fine details escape me at the moment, but something to do with it making up the 14MB or whatever it is but using three smaller ones for the RGB channels or something like that.

I should also point out that my mate's need for speed was in the writing speed to the card that would inhibit it for his use.
Yeah, it's 'cos each image is composed of 1 x 6.17 S and 1 x 6.17 R megapixels to give the high dynamic range. Always amused by the Pixel Chasers who criticise without understanding. SD10 is 3 x 3.4 megapixels, S5 is 2 x 6.17 megapixels, Bayer sensors interpolate 60% pixels. All true statements, yet how many actually understand the significamce......... or, more importantly, the results?!

Yeah, is weird that when buffer is full you can't see image on LCD until whole buffer is cleared (not even the first shot!), even if you can re-start shooting on a per shot written basis. Reckon that could be sorted out with a firmware update in the future (unless processor really is choked by the write)
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It's getting uncomfortable sitting on this fence - do I jump to the Sigma SD14 or to the Fuji S5 Pro?
I have no experience of either Sigma or Fuji cameras, but the same edition of DP magazine also gives a brief test on the SD14.... it only got 3 stars.
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I have no experience of either Sigma or Fuji cameras, but the same edition of DP magazine also gives a brief test on the SD14.... it only got 3 stars.
I really must get a copy of that magazine! Tho' with that star rating you can see why only the Chosen Few buy Sigma cameras!
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Re: Talking of Nikon D200s - Fuji S5 Pro

I've now seen two side by side tests of the cameras and in both instances the D200 came out top. IIRC the noise was worse on the Fuji than the Nikon particularly at high ISO.

Plus the D200 is a lot cheaper.
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I really must get a copy of that magazine! Tho' with that star rating you can see why only the Chosen Few buy Sigma cameras!
Now have the mag - and I rest my case: "Enlarge to A3 without interpolation" PML!

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I've now seen two side by side tests of the cameras and in both instances the D200 came out top. IIRC the noise was worse on the Fuji than the Nikon particularly at high ISO.

Plus the D200 is a lot cheaper.
From my own highly personal perspective the noise/detail not a prob at high ISO (and without pixel peeping, negligible differences) and not fussed by the speed. But dynamic range, ahhhh, that does interest me (and strange that given that it's one of the S5's major strengths the article doesn't actually make more of that - maybe "niche markets" covers it!)

So, is the S5 better and so worth the additional £150? Maybe not, but it'll soon come down in price - until on par and then it'll be a big YES!
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