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Old 26-05-2012, 12:50   #1 (permalink)
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On my last outing i enjoyed it that much but i felt at times i could of done with a lens that went a bit further instead of just 300m, have been looking but ask here as some of you use these lenses,
Sigma 85-400
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Tokina 80-400
which one of these lenses tick all the boxes,simpbow
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Old 26-05-2012, 14:27   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Tele lens

I've got a Nikkor AF-S 80-200 f2.8 that when combined with a 1.7x converter works well, and has the advantage that without the TC is a great fast medium zoom. The older 80-200 f2.8 D is cheaper and more common than the AF-S version and shares the same optics AFAIK,but I think the focus is slower. If stabilization and the 400mm with no converter is important to you I guess that one of the ones you list would be better for you, but which one....

The mk I 70-200vr Nikkor might be worth consideration, but the 80-200 AF-S is rated better by many and of course the mkII is better still.
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Re: Tele lens

I have a 70-200mm Nikkor which I love.

But, if you want to go further what about the Sigma 150-500mm. I have one of those too and it is a nice lens.
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Cheers guys, was using Nikon 75-300mm so as you say Dabs about converter[1.7x] on it what range would this do then? or would it still be better thinking about sigma 400 or 500mm even
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Old 26-05-2012, 18:51   #5 (permalink)
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Cheers guys, was using Nikon 75-300mm so as you say Dabs about converter[1.7x] on it what range would this do then? or would it still be better thinking about sigma 400 or 500mm even
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The 1.7x TC makes it about a 140-340. Factor in the crop sensor and you end up with approx a 200-450 f4. Only you can decide if the 400 or 500 reach out of the box with stabilisation is worth more than having to use a TC to get about 450mm, no stabilisation but having a fast 80-200 too.
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Re: Tele lens

Cheers Dabs that makes a lot of sense as 99,9% of the time i have to use tripod/monopod anyway
So would this work on my nikon 75-300 or 70-300?

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Cheers Dabs that makes a lot of sense as 99,9% of the time i have to use tripod/monopod anyway
So would this work on my nikon 75-300 or 70-300?
Maybe not. Depends on where the front elements of the TC are in relation to the rear elements of the lens. They might touch if the zoom elements move back in use. Also loosing 1 - 1 1/2 stops on a f2.8 is not as bad as loosing the stops on a slower lens.
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Old 28-05-2012, 22:05   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Tele lens

Graham has some good advice on your camera specs about lenses and the trouble you might get into. I look at tyour list and they all reach 400. That is my longest lens, but I have one set up where I can use a 1.4X converter and still have auto focus using the 400mm with it. It is my best working set up,,,so I vote for anything that helps you keep auto focus is the way to go. I loose auto focus on all my cameras with a converter except one.
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Cheers Dabs that makes a lot of sense as 99,9% of the time i have to use tripod/monopod anyway
Just one practical point I sometimes use the 400 with a 1.4 converter and maybe the 1.5 digital as well. At this point the image can look like vibration machine. The heavy tripod I use copes with a 400 mounted on the camera on a calm day but on the edge of a cliff with a fresh breeze blowing you are in a different ball game. With a long lens mounted the sail area for the wind to attack is greatly increased. Luckily there are substantial fences where I frequent and the best solution I have come up with is to press the monopod/tripod hard up against the fence.
Whatever lens you get take test shot whilst the lens is mounted as solidly as you can to get it then compare these images with the practical images you take, I think you will find a lot of the practical images will fall short of the maximum definition the lens is capable of.
Many a good long telephoto lens has been branded soft because the user has not used the lens in the manner it should be used
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Many a good long telephoto lens has been branded soft because the user has not used the lens in the manner it should be used
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Old 29-05-2012, 19:50   #12 (permalink)
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Thanx guys, so how do you know what converter goes with what lens
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You should find some info on the Nikon web site, (Sigma have a web page on the subject, but it only covers Sigma lenses and TCs) but I recall Mark saying that the Kenko 1.4x lens does not project in front of the TC

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I recall Mark saying that the Kenko 1.4x lens does not project in front of the TC
I can confirm that - same for the Nikon fitting.

There are some issues with using a Nikon TC if I have my information correct. They will not auto-focus with non AF-S lenses. I specifically bought a Kenko on the basis that it works with the majority of Nikon lenses. Although only bought as an experiment and not too expensive at ~120 for the 1.4 Teleplus pro 300 DGX from One Stop Digital, it works with all my lenses **, including those that Nikon say will not work with a (Nikon) TC. Results seem very good so far when used with the 105mm Macro, and the 80-200 f/2.8, but the 80-400 f/4.5 -5.6 needs stopping down an extra stop at the 400 end (f/11 with the TC instead of f/8), as the lens tends to be a bit soft wide open - this can be recovered with software, but is not ideal. Thus to get any reasonable shot at 550mm (400@f/8 x 1.4) I am working at f/11 at best. Although the Kenko TC will operate with full CPU pass through, even giving updated information on focal length, when you are using the focus motor of the camera the TC uses geared focussing making the focussing about 2/3 the speed of normal. I have not really noticed any difference in speed using AF-S lenses. I have to be careful on my D300s as is many circumstances the camera will over-expose by as much as a stop (good news cos you can use a higher shutter speed).

Do not consider the cheaper Kenko MG series TC as this is not up to the same image quality.

You may be advised that the camera will not auto-focus with smaller apertures than f/5.6. Nikon does not limit its auto-focussing in this respect. However, to get the best result you will need good contrasty lighting.

Judging by your Puffin shot I would guess that you might be looking to get closer to birds. 400 is not a lot different from 300 and I would be tempted to look at even 500, as suggested by Jason., where you will be looking at a minimum aperture of f/6.3 which compares very favourably with the f/12.6 you might be using with a 300mm@f/8 + 1.7TC.

** Nikon seem to have changed the dimensions of their lenses since the introduction of the Ai lenses. New lenses with an aperture ring have a slightly thinner ring and incidentally a longer aperture arm - approx 0.5mm longer. The slightly thicker aperture ring of older lenses means that the aperture coupling ring of the Kenko TC is not as free moving as it should be.
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Need to know about a lens & converter here again guys, say i had Nikon 70-300mm & used a Kenco converter on it would i get more or less the same reach as a Sigma 150-500mm & also whats the best converter to use with it[Nikon 70-300] 1.4 or 1.7 cheers simpbow
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The reach will depend on what TC you use. the 1.4x will give you a 98-420 and you will loose one stop, the 1.7x makes it a 119-510 at the cost of 1.5 stops.

AFAIK, only Nikon make the 1.7x TC. The other brands are 1.4x or 2x, and it is said that the 2x will have an impact on quality (and you will loose two stops). Having said that, several of our members have posted pictures taken with a 2x TC and they looked good to me

You will have to consider if AF will work with a 2x TC if that is important to you.
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Cheers Graham thanx for the info is that 98-420 on Digital?
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Cheers Graham thanx for the info is that 98-420 on Digital?
Those figures are just a multiplication on the focal length of the lens. On a crop factor body I guess you have to multiply those figures by 1.5 too. On the strength of that, the 1.4x would probably be a good choice in terms of the magnification, retaining decent quality, probably retaining AF and only loosing one stop. But in the end it depends on what you are going to be using it for. For wildlife some say the longer, the better.
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