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Old 26-04-2013, 13:14   #1 (permalink)
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Use of OM lenses on digital cameras:

Much has been said on accessory websites about using film camera lenses on digital cameras, yet mine won't focus anywhere near to an acceptable level.

I am using a standard OM f1.8 50mm Zuiko lens with a conversion piece on an Olympus E420. There were no instructions that came with it, so I just plugged it in and put the lens on. It has not been possible to find out more as to if I am doing anything wrong?

I also have an OM system bellows, extension tubes and I am keen to get into macro and can't get the results I want. Cannot find anything with the search facility so I ask that if anyone has experience in this area for advice.
 
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Old 26-04-2013, 14:07   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Use of OM lenses on digital cameras:

I've used my OM lenses on my wife's E3 with the Olympus adaptor with no problems. You don't have autofocus etc - is that your problem? The E3 has a screen that you can focus on; does the E420 have one that you can't, or do you need to set a dioptre adjustment on the camera?

Failing that, what do you mean by "conversion piece"? I'm assuming a lens adaptor, which is nothing more than a metal ring that attaches to the camera at one end and the lens at the other - no glass elements in it.
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Old 26-04-2013, 16:20   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Use of OM lenses on digital cameras:

When this model, the E420, came out five years ago, I had the kit version with two lenses.

I am using a lens adapter and the camera does appear to have a screen. Manual setting of the lens focusing ring was set to infinity as I was taking distance shots, but it made no difference all the way down from infinity down to half a metre when checked.

I have to admit to being a bit lost on what you call a dioptre adjustment though.
 
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Re: Use of OM lenses on digital cameras:

Do you mean that you cannot see a sharp image through the viewfinder, or that the pictures are not sharp when viewed on a computer?

If it is the former, Stephen is probably right in that the focus screen is not otimised for manual focus with no split image, so will require care when focussing, or the diopter is not adjusted properly.
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Re: Use of OM lenses on digital cameras:

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I have to admit to being a bit lost on what you call a dioptre adjustment though.
It's fairly common for the viewfinders of SLR/DSLR cameras to have an adjustment to allow for correction if your eyesight isn't perfect. You can correct (usually - not all cameras allow this) for a small amount of long or short sightedness.

Older cameras required you to buy a separate eyecup and insert lenses as required (the OM series have no eyesight correction).

I don't know if the E420 has such an djustment, but I would be surprised if it didn't. Take a look at the instructions or see if there is some dial or lever around or near the viewfinder.
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Re: Use of OM lenses on digital cameras:

Going back to my remark about screens, I wasn't clear. Focusing screens can, broadly speaking, be designed to be clear and bright or they can be designed to allow accurate focusing. With the advent of autofocus, in general manufacturers decided to move away from screens that easily allow manual focusing. My wife has an E3, which is as easy to focus as the OM series; she also has a Dynax 7D and I simply can't focus it at all - it always looks equally sharp whatever the lens is focused on.
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Re: Use of OM lenses on digital cameras:

My eyesight is not generally a problem: I do tend to be slightly long sighted and reading for me is easier with glasses. I have no problems at all in focusing my film cameras. Last month I developed a batch of films from my OM cameras and Mamiya 645 and the results were excellent as usual. So the lens that gives excellent results with film is totally useless on digital. I do have both types of Olympus eyecups and they seem to be standard as the also fit the E420, Mamiya 645 and my pals Nikon too. Also too the angled vari-magnifier.

The instruction manual that came with the camera is useless: I find that there are whole topics that appear to have been missed out. I have searched for a user's guide written by an independent author to no avail and generally drawn a blank.

The screen: I can easily see it, it has a matt finish to it but does not seem to be removable. I have not tried to touch it for fear of doing any damage. (With the OM system the screens are removable and there are seventeen different types and special tweezer type pliers are needed to do this). I have quite a few differing ones for use with different lenses that I have.

The viewfinder is equally blurred as is the final photograph.

What next I think we are on the right track when adjustments may be needed. Nothing in my book. This is the bit I need help with quite possibly.

Why do I want to play around with OM lenses? I am keen to find out if there is anything in the claim they can be used and what quality is the result. Last year I was a member of our local camera club and at a meeting of members work I saw some of my images on a big screen for the first time. I was disappointed as the did not measure up to quite a few of the other members work. I did get to ask the question: why? The answer I got back was 'kit lenses' were made as cheaply as possible to get one started and the commercial hope was you would go on to buy other lens(es) which probably cost as much as the camera did in the first place. At the time there was talk of Olympus abandoning the 4/3 system and I did not think it a good idea to go out and buy. This was still while the OM-D was still under wraps. I made up my mind to give the OM lenses a try and to date I have had no luck. Of course, the preservation of my bank balance is another valid point.

The results I will now attempt to add some of my work, but I don't usually have much luck in doing this. The first image is with the OM lens, others are results I had shown at the camera club. It appears that this is not going to happen as I can't find the manage attachments button to get the shots out of my pictures file.
 
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Re: Use of OM lenses on digital cameras:

There was a time long ago when the viewfinder optics of SLRs was set such that the image appeared to be at infinity. Short sighted people were at a disadvantage then. The modern practice seems to be to set them at about three feet, so if you need reading glasses to read you may need them to focus.

There are a number of points re optics that I'd like to pick up on, but probably not here. I would like to know though exactly what you thought was technically lacking in your photos.

If you can focus a camera (and please remember that the E420 is not supposed to be focused manually, so it will be difficult to do so, no matter how good your eyesight) then I have to ask exactly what is the "conversion piece". Who makes it, what does it look like?

I have no problems focusing the 50mm f/1.4 on an E3; nor are the results any worse than I'd expect from a digital camera.

You could try putting the examples on flickr. I've never worked out how to put photos up on here either.
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Re: Use of OM lenses on digital cameras:

I just did a Google search. Try p14 of your manual; bottom of page; the section is titled (in a big blue box) "Adjusting the viewfinder's diopter"
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Re: Use of OM lenses on digital cameras:

I'm not clear whether your resultant images are slightly OOF or massively OOF - and whether altering the manual focus ring makes any difference at all

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The viewfinder is equally blurred as is the final photograph.
Which is why the image is blurred. You have not idea if it is in focus.

As Steven says adjust the diopter for the view finder so you can see clearly through it. Have you tried another OM lens in case that one is faulty ?

Yes they do work, my brother uses them sometimes on his E620.
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He does use the official OM Adapter.
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Re: Use of OM lenses on digital cameras:

Rob Barron wrote a guide on how to adjust the viewfinder dioptre here:

http://www.pixalo.com/community/tuto...tml#post102948
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Re: Use of OM lenses on digital cameras:

Or a very simple test would be to focus the lens on infinity (which should be as far as it will turn) and then photograph a distant object. Since the OM lenses have depth of field scales, you should be able to estimate roughly how close anything would have to be at your chosen aperture to be out of focus.

If you can't focus on infinity, then you clearly have a problem.

If the adaptor is too thick, the point of focus will be closer to the camera; but under no conceivable circumstances should it be too thick to focus on a nearby object.

Like chrisa, I use the Olympus adaptor.
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Markulus Thanks for sending that link. I still can not attach my photos to a post but have had some success with the gallery, I think. Sorry for doing one slide twice, but I did not want to push my luck in messing things up!

StephenBatey Regarding the camera manuals, we are singing from different hymn sheets! Mine is completely different being all one colour a sort of grey print on white paper and a white paper cover. Nothing about settings and no blue box. When I bought the camera I registered it with Olympus and within a couple of weeks I received two updated CDs for updating the camera's internal software and the other for the editing via the computer. I was not connected to the internet at the time. It seems that I may have an old book and I have not got a revised copy. If you could send me a link it would be useful to me. With the regards to the adapter ring, it has only OM-4/3 on it and it appears to be 7.41mm thick having just measured it with Vernier calipers. It has not got an Olympus logo on it, nor Jessops, if it had I would have walked out without it. This measurement does not take into account the flange that fits into the camera, but face to face only. As a point of interest, I have the other adapter as well when I could use a 4/3 lens on an OM camera, but I don't think it will get any use! They both came from Jessops here in Cambridge 18 months ago and I specifically asked for Olympus. Regarding the OM system cameras and accessories, I really do have to point out I have complete mastery of them and been using them since April 1980.

....and I thought this was going to be easy! It seems a lot of playing about to me and I begin to regret buying the thing in the first place and stuck 100% to film. Until now, all it has been used for is to send photos to friends and familes we both have overseas. But it's there and I want to do more with it like using the OM bellows to get rid of small stuff we have on ebay. Hopefully you can see the photos in the gallery. Feel free to comment on them soon as I will take the grotty one off in say a fortnight. Also, have a moan if you don't want to see any more trains?

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Markulus I still can not attach my photos to a post
Two ways. 1) When you enter text in the text entry box when you either reply to a thread or create a new one, click on the right hand icon above the text entry box and you will see your recent uploads. Click on the one(s) you want to include in the post. That's it. 2) open your image to full size in the gallery by clicking on it. Underneath there are two lines of code. Copy the bottom line named 'linked image' and paste it into your text entry box. Easier if you have two windows open doing this.

I have just checked your gallery and it does not have any images in it.
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Re: Use of OM lenses on digital cameras:

Manuals. I typed "olympus e420 manual" into Google and got this as the first link.

http://www.olympusamerica.com/files/..._Manual_EN.pdf

If the adaptor has no lens in it (which I assume is the case but you haven't confirmed it) and it allows the lens to be attached firmly and squarely to the camera body, then the thickness can't possibly prevent sharp images at some distance from the camera.

I still don't know if you can get a sharp image of a distant object when you just use scale focusing; I assume that used with the 4/3 lenses your camera manages an acceptable level of performance, so I'm now completely stuck as to any explanation other than your not being able to focus an E420 manually for some reason.

Clutching at straws, but I suppose that you have tried using reading glasses when focusing?
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Re: Use of OM lenses on digital cameras:

On reflection, if the viewfinder image looks sharp when using a 4/3 lens but not when using an OM lens, then presumably it isn't your eyesight or the viewfinder's dioptre setting that is at fault.

That would imply (since you are fully conversant with focusing an OM lens) that the adaptor itself must be at fault. If it simply has the wrong thickness, the effect would either be correctable by focusing or apparent by an inability to focus at infinity but being able to focus on closer objects perfectly.

That leaves the only possibilities I can see as being either not being square on (in which case some part of the image would still be sharp) or that it has a lens in it (as some adaptors do with some cameras to enable infinity focus). Both should be obvious to you though, so I admit defeat. I can't think of any explanation for your problem, so if you solve it I'd be very interested to know how you did it for future reference.
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StephenBatey: Thank you very much for the link and I have now downloaded it. As I thought, my book is completely different and only has 60 pages as well as being a very poor translation and less information. I see this is an american site and a place I did not look. Reason being is I have seen posts on other sites saying that some american models were of a different spec and best avoided and kept to uk info only and did not come up with anything.

I am certain I previously mentioned that there is no problems using 4/3 lenses and viewfinder. I confirm that my adapter has no lens in it, so it is not a teleconverter. I only use reading glasses for reading and soldering in artificial light only. Not for focusing cameras or at any other time. Even in the darkroom when focusing the enlarger (an LPL 7700) a magnifying glass will do but I do have an LPL scope focus finder and a Kaiser one that looks like a transparency viewer to fall back on if I need to and they get little use.

In conclusion I have to say I think Jessops sold me a pup and its too late to take anyone to task now. Still being none the wiser on this, I shall plan a trip over to Luton Cameras taking the E420 and adapter ring with me and bother them. They are an Olympus service agent for repairs as well as being a camera shop and have been a customer there for years for accessories. They still do repairs for OM cameras and lenses if anyone is interested and are slightly cheaper than the other repairer in Liverpool. At least I get to spend some time for photography on the picturesque North Downs as a bonus.

Dabhand 16 Thanks for letting me know the photos did not upload on the gallery. After pressing the 'submit' button, I did get the confirmation screen that they had, but on subsequent checking, I found they had not and nothing there. At this point, I normally give up and not bother anymore, but I will try again later by following your post to attach to a post. I do begin to wonder if my IE9 has become corrupted. I do allow automatic updates from Microsoft and have until now and thought everything was and would be ok. I have been having niggling problems recently and an example of this being the continual need to use of the refresh F5 button. I did receive a 'red' notification from my internet security provider that an attempt had been made to get my passwords. Also, on the screen I am using now to type this post there are bits missing from some of the letters and certain lines look squashed. Advice on these computer issues would also be appreciated.

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