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Old 04-04-2011, 20:39   #1 (permalink)
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Hi all,

Has anyone any experience of 7dayshops variable ND grads?

I was thinking about getting one but thought it check here first!!

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Hi all,

Has anyone any experience of 7dayshops variable ND grads?

I was thinking about getting one but thought it check here first!!

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They have only just been released Steve, so I doubt you'll find anyone who has got one. I've seen some decent reviews of the American ones that cost around $200 though. Can't remember the name of them, (Ray something?) but I think that one of our US members has tried them. Might have been Sotelo or Boofers.
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They have only just been released Steve, so I doubt you'll find anyone who has got one. I've seen some decent reviews of the American ones that cost around $200 though. Can't remember the name of them, (Ray something?) but I think that one of our US members has tried them. Might have been Sotelo or Boofers.
I have a Singh-Ray variable ND and the B+W 110 non adjustible. I've had the Singh-Ray the longest and have had some good results. I just used it sunday with the kid on the swing set tying to land a great motion picture, The filter worked great as I could make small adjustments with a turn of the filter and colors have always been beautiful. The kid jumped off and I couldn't get him to swing for me. The Singh-Ray will leave a warmer color which I just find excellent, the B+W 110 will leave a cooler color,"althought I haven't used it a lot yet". It's something to look at if you buy one. There not cheap but I"d buy mine again in a minute. I have no idea about the filter you ask about, so it could give you different results. I'd try one out if you could or just buy one that is a real work horse already. Here's the best I took of him, a few more and I think I could have landed a smile and a great motion picture.
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Thanks for that Boofers Good to see my memory is not so bad after all.

I believe that the Singh-Ray is quite expensive. The 7DayShop ones are very reasonably priced

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I ordered one two days ago and awaiting arrival. I will maybe get a few shots over Easter and post here with opinion.
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I ordered one two days ago and awaiting arrival. I will maybe get a few shots over Easter and post here with opinion.
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I read a review about these a few days ago but I am sure it was on the net and I cannot remember where. Sorry. I seem to remember that the effects are different at different focal lengths and you can get a black cross in the picture under certain situations.

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I have just remembered the review was in this months Digital Photography but it was for Lightcraft Fader ND MK II. Apparently at 17 mm the ND effect is limited to 5 stops due to the black cross appearing you need to be at 100 mm to get the full 9 stop ND.

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I have just remembered the review was in this months Digital Photography but it was for Lightcraft Fader ND MK II. Apparently at 17 mm the ND effect is limited to 5 stops due to the black cross appearing you need to be at 100 mm to get the full 9 stop ND.

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That's the one I have!

And 7dayshop version looks very similar so might be made by them - I've found you can get to approx 6 stops from the max 8 stops before the cross appears @ 17mm. I use it on my G11 and 7D as per the threads showing results - just search for ND Fader
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Re: Variable ND Filter

I think the Singh-Ray came out in about 2005/6, it was the first filter I ever bought. It has about a 1/3 turning view, very light to black. The first time I used it on water falls I noticed clouds of black off to the side where I know now I had turned too dark and didn't notice in the view finder. Using it and adjusting in the direction of tighting has lead me to not having mistakes. It came loose when going clock wise and the light show would begin. They have a 360 degree radius and 1/3 of usible adjustment in turning even though it has numbers to help, they are off, not by much but still off. I throw my hat in the ring for the Singh-Ray for the warm color making it worth the extra $
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Like the look of that, does anyone know what make is it that 7-day shops are offering?
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Like the look of that, does anyone know what make is it that 7-day shops are offering?
Might well be branded 7DayShop. Mark thinks it looks the same as his one - whatever brand that is!

A few people have ordered them now, so I guess we will soon know more about them.
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yip, I went ahead and got one anyway! Ive never had an ND filter at all so itl be a cheap and cheerful way to learn!

I'll try and get some shots threw up if it works out!!
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Might well be branded 7DayShop. Mark thinks it looks the same as his one - whatever brand that is!
Mine is Lightcraft but I know there are already Lightcraft clones so it could be made by pretty much anyone (it's similar-ish to mine but not the same!)
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My filter arrived and on examination it seems to be well manufactured, there are no instructions. The filter has only the name 7Daysshopcom. The markings along the edge are oMin and oMax with a seres of dots between showing the different strengths of opacity the dot has to be lined up to a very tiny white dot on the other ring which is so small it is difficult to see. When fitted to the camera you can see through the viewfinder but goes completely black at the higher settings. When set to the highest setting it is completely black and I was able to look through it directly at the sun with the naked eye with no danger to the eye.
Practical result, I fixed my Canon 20D and 24-105L F4 lens to a tripod to take pictures at the coast of waves braking over rocks hoping to get nice smoothing of the water, the standard setting without any filter was 1/125 sec F11 @ 67mm. With the filter low setting were 1/25sec , F22 @67mm and increasing setting 1/15sec neither of these had much effect except both were out of focus, auto focus did not work through the filter. I could see through the finder at this point. I then increased the setting and viewfinder was blank and the speed dropped to 1/2 second and a bit each side but the image was completely black absolutely no detail just a black rectangle. I think I must be doing something wrong as the exposure was obviously not long enough, but how is one to measure this? And at the maximum setting if the filter is so opaque how can the camera function?
The main faults are autufocus does not seem to work and the camera metering does not seem to work so can someone enlighten me what I am doing wrong?

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The main faults are autufocus does not seem to work and the camera metering does not seem to work so can someone enlighten me what I am doing wrong?

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Have you seen Rob's initial findings?

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I would agree with Rob's findings and found his review most interesting. I understand that the autofocus does not work and I can rectify that manually. But I am still unable to understand how to work out exposure? When one turns the filter how do I know the number of stops? Is it 4 or 6 or 7? and as the camera metering does not seem to work is the exposure just trial and error until I find the correct one?

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Colin, the AF DOES work, I had no problem with it. I would do so with the filter set light and then darken when I have the focus. There are no markings per se as that would be impossible given that the position of the mounted filter would affect its light and dark points but the camera metering system decides what setting regardless so as you darken it, you'll notice the metering going for a longer shutter speed.

Otherwise, you can do it manually by getting the open metering and then going down to the dark point and setting to 8 stops below the metered setting. It's a bit hit and miss that way but frankly using a very dark ND filter is pretty hit and miss anyway so if you want to do very long exposures, the most common use for the darker filters, you would expect to do a bit of trial and error. That's why we love digital so much LOL.

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But I am still unable to understand how to work out exposure? When one turns the filter how do I know the number of stops? Is it 4 or 6 or 7? and as the camera metering does not seem to work is the exposure just trial and error until I find the correct one?
As Rob says, AF will work but focus when wide open and the close down.

Most cameras will autoexpose down to a certain point, beyond which you need to select Manual and use the over/under indicators to set correctly - both my G11 and 7D then work fine
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Thanks everybody for your imput. My camera is a Canon EOS20D great camera but getting a bit long in the tooth now like myself and I think this is the difference in the autufocus and the 7D that Rob used. I did a test out the window and got the same results as Rob using manual focus and exposure and everything was fine well exposed and sharp. It is only when you go into the maximum settings that the colours go off a bit but can be corrected in lightroom. I was able to get exposures up to 40 seconds at F22, a car came up the street but did not register in the photo. Once you go into the darker end of the filter it is essential to check the histogram and then make a further adjustment to the exposure if necessary.
I bought this to enable me to take long exposures to smooth out water and waves to try and get a new intrest in my photography as I felt I was getting a bit stale in my style and wanted something different. The filter is definately a good buy for the money, just a pity about the colours at the dark end.
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Just to correct slightly, I use the 5D MkII not the 7D, not that this makes much difference of course :o)

Looking forward to giving a few long exposures a go when I get home. Be a couple of weeks now as am on holiday. See you when I get back :o)

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