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Old 20-04-2007, 17:19   #1 (permalink)
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wide angle advice

hi, ive decided to purchase a good wide angle lens. i was in jessops earlier and tried on the sigma 10-20 which was going for 329 but its online for a lot less.

i did not get to see the canon 10-22 lens but i have read all the reviews on here and am not sure what tio think. This lens is online for approx 380 but with the 50 money back thing that canon do it becomes more affordable!

Is the Canon 10-22 overpriced?
Does the Sigma have softness problems around the outside of photos? i gather this is not going to be a major problem but can anyone show what they mean by posting a cropped photo?!

also, i asked in jessops could it be used for motorsports for example in the inside of a tight corner, at approx 40mph car speeds? has anyone used this lens for motorsport on here?

of the 2 lenses, what one would you recommend me? i dont really need the top of the range at the moment!

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Re: wide angle advice

This might be of interest :- http://www.pixalo.com/community/came...ens-11217.html

The Sigma is a cracking lens. As for motorsport shots, be warned at 10mm the car would only have to be 10 feet from you, to fill the frame
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Re: wide angle advice

Check out DP this month for a test of WA lenses. The Sigma 10-20 got the gold award "This lens outclasses some at twice its price and should be on the short list of WA fans..." and the Canon 10-22 the silver, I think based on the RRP of 470 v the Sigma 290. The canon did have an edge on image quality, but the VFM vote goes to the Sigma. It seems that the Canon also does not come with a lens hood (25 extra) where the Sigma includes a hood.

I talked jessop's down to 300 for the Sigma - then they did not have one with a Nikon fit!

I'm very pleased with the Sigma and would recommend it to anyone.
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This might be of interest :- http://www.pixalo.com/community/came...ens-11217.html

The Sigma is a cracking lens. As for motorsport shots, be warned at 10mm the car would only have to be 10 feet from you, to fill the frame
cheers dave, the sigme does sound like a good choice. But for closeups in motorsport the kit lens i use isn't much use. when im in the inside of a corner we do get pretty close to the cars and i wanted to achieve better photos. The kit lens isnt wide enough and isnt quick enough for this all the time. i think i saw in daveyuk's review he mentions about using it for motorsport.

at the minute im going along the lines of the sigma unless someone can convince me otherwise!! birthday on sunday!!
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I'm sure you would not be disappointed with the Sigma.
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Is the Canon 10-22 overpriced?

Does the Sigma have softness problems around the outside of photos?

of the 2 lenses, what one would you recommend me? i dont really need the top of the range at the moment!
Yes the Canon is overpriced IMO, even with the cashback. It is a good lens with good image quality, but the Sigma is better built and has just as good image quality.

I had the use of the Canon for a weekend, and while I got some good shots from it, when it came time to buy I still went with the Sigma simply because I felt it wasn't worth the 50-60 difference at the time... I still feel that way now

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Re: wide angle advice

I too bought the Sigma recently and am very pleased with it. There is talk of some softness at the edges but I haven't experienced it with my copy.....yet. I have also heard that someone used a Cokin P holder which crept into the frame but again it doesn't do it with mine.

To me, there is one downside but I can live with it. The front cap is a s*d to get on and off with the hood on.

Also the 10-22 is an EF-S - you can only use it on a 1.6x sensor. If you ever upgrade to the 5D, or other full-frame Canon then you can't use the 10-22. HTH.
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Re: wide angle advice

Hi all
I am in the market for a 10-20 myself. I will be using mine to hopefully get some whale shark pictures later this year

What I would like to ask is would the extra f stop on the canon not be worth 50 ?
The sigma is 4.5-5.6
The canon is 3.5-4.5

I am thinking, in my case loss of light underwater & to the OP wouldn't a faster shutter speed help with motor sport shots ?

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Re: wide angle advice

ken thats another point i forgot to mention. im hoping it would still be useful for motorsport but even if its not it would be worth it for landscapes!

ill not be going full frame for a while yet, wouldn't i be right in saying the 20d is not full frame?

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ken thats another point i forgot to mention. im hoping it would still be useful for motorsport but even if its not it would be worth it for landscapes!

ill not be going full frame for a while yet, wouldn't i be right in saying the 20d is not full frame?

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Yes you are correct Steve, the 20D is not a full frame.
I am only a novice myself, but I think a 10-20 would pose a lot more problems on a full frame sensor
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Re: wide angle advice

Here is a reply that I got from a friend of Robs, when I asked his advice on the
canon 10-22, that may be useful to you. ( hope he doesn't mind )


I have a canon 10-22 and I love it. Very creative at 10mm up against a small object in the forground to make it dominate the picture.

You will need to use the hoya pro (very thin) skylite filter to stop any possible vignetting at 10mm though. same with a polarisor, have to take the skylite off and not use the lens below 12mm.

Although I must admit, the polarisor doesn't work as well as I would like. It tends to darken just the central portion of the sky. i might try a much larger filter and a thin step down ring to overcome this. I still really like the lens


Hope this helps you in your decision.
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Re: wide angle advice

thanks ken.

i think ill go for the sigma anyway! has anyone got any shots in their galleries taken by the sigma 10-20 just to give me a idea of it? ive only saw 2 shots so far taken by one and it was pretty impressive!

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thanks ken.

i think ill go for the sigma anyway! has anyone got any shots in their galleries taken by the sigma 10-20 just to give me a idea of it? ive only saw 2 shots so far taken by one and it was pretty impressive!

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Steve - Check out my York album for shots taken with the 10-20. Some have converging verticals big time due to my being soooooooo close to the subjects. Also my National Rail Museum (NRM) and York Minster albums. Now I'm getting over the capabilities of this great lens, I've started to correct some of the verticals to see what I like best. There are some shots in the Urban gallery too, and the photo sharing forum.
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has anyone got any shots in their galleries taken by the sigma 10-20 just to give me a idea of it?
Also check out Dave's gallery, some of his mono shots taken with the Sigma are our outstanding
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Forgot to mention Steve - the NRM and interior of York Minster shots were hand-held at stupidly slow shutter speeds, so lens sharpness should not be judged on these images.
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I like my Canon 10-22. I never even considered another lens.

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What I would like to ask is would the extra f stop on the canon not be worth 50 ?
The sigma is 4.5-5.6
The canon is 3.5-4.5
depends on your camera. If your camera has low noise/high ISO then the lost stop will not make any difference. On my 30D the IQ at high ISO is so good I don't worry. 20D will be the same.
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Its a mute point but I believe its nearer half a stop, thats all.

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Hi all
I am in the market for a 10-20 myself. I will be using mine to hopefully get some whale shark pictures later this year

What I would like to ask is would the extra f stop on the canon not be worth 50 ?
The sigma is 4.5-5.6
The canon is 3.5-4.5

I am thinking, in my case loss of light underwater & to the OP wouldn't a faster shutter speed help with motor sport shots ?

Thanks Ken
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Haven't posted here in a while, but this is a very interesting discussion

So, the 2 have the same image quality, but you will be able to use The sigma on a full-frame camera, while The Canon, not. What about the distortion? Which one of the 2 produces more distortion?

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So, the 2 have the same image quality, but you will be able to use The sigma on a full-frame camera, while The Canon, not.
True.

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What about the distortion? Which one of the 2 produce more distortion?
Only from research I would say the Sigma but I'd defy anyone to notice
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So, the 2 have the same image quality, but you will be able to use The sigma on a full-frame camera, while The Canon, not.
I was under the impression that the Sigma 10-20 is not compatible with a full frame sensor camera, at least not without a large amount of vignetting... AFAIK it's the Sigma 12-24 that is full frame compatible.
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True.


Only from research I would say the Sigma but I'd defy anyone to notice
Thank you for the info, you've made my day
I was interested to know which one produces more distortion at 10 mm because I really like that effect.


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I was under the impression that the Sigma 10-20 is not compatible with a full frame sensor camera, at least not without a large amount of vignetting... AFAIK it's the Sigma 12-24 that is full frame compatible.
I don't mind the vignetting either, I'm just happy if it work on those cameras
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im back on the prowl for one of the wide angles.......

i have another question, what one (sigma or canon) has the quickest autofocus?! can anyone help me?

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On your 20D - the Canon they communicate better.
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cool, why cant the canon be cheaper

would there be much of a difference? for landscapes it wont matter but i will be doing moving things too!

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I'm trying to imagine tracking a moving object at 10mm ..... the thing would have to be on your toes to fill the frame ...lol ....OK, a few feet back On a serious note, you would have to be pretty close to the subject to get decent fill of screen & then you've got to take in to account how fast that item will move across your screen at that close nature ..... panning would have you looking like some aerobics teacher warming up
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hahaha, sounds good!!

naw as i say it will mostly be used for landscapes but i do wana try as much as possible! motorsport needs something different these days, the weirder the better!!

if its cars they will only be about 6ft away and not at much speed!
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Re: wide angle advice

I've never used the Canon but yes the Sigma is a little soft in the corners and does distort away from the centre but neither is out of control if you choose your subjects carefully or if you let it work for you.

To answer your question wait untill you try either one as regards speed of focusing then you'll see why I smiled. I think from 0.24m to infinity is about a 1/4 turn BUT 1M - infinity is safe cracker territory it's an HSM motor as well so, on my Nikons, for 95% of shots they effectively don't focus. I wouldn't factor it into a choice if it were me. The Canon is probably better built and more weather proof but nothing wrong with the Sigma in my humble opinion.

The extra 1/2 stop may not make that much difference in itself but might sway me to pay the difference. A w/a is very useful for interiors where light is not so plentiful and even for landscapes WA lenses perform better stopped down a bit, if you've a bigger maximum aperture then that makes that easier.

As regards the comment about lens hood the Sigma is 77mm which for Nikon is pretty standard for lens caps so the centre pinch ones are easy to come by which solves the problem, I am sure you would get admiring glances with a Nikon cap but 3rd party or Canon ones must be about.
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Re: wide angle advice

This is the lens i'm thinking of getting but for the time being i got hold of a Cosina 19-35
(same as Tokina and Tamron) for only 50 and can't believe how good it is at tracking used it for rally on inside of a corner where the cars were going about 70mph on my 10D and it managed to track them and for MX
let me know how you get on
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