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Old 31-07-2006, 21:15   #1 (permalink)
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Zoom lense confusion.

Hi

Thanks for all the advice I`ve had so far!

So, I`m looking for a decent "starter" zoom lense, for around the 200ish (if there is one) for an S2 pro. Local shops have recommended: Sigma 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 DG Macro Lens : (169 from one stop digital) (or more from the actual shop) Also :Nikon AF Nikkor 70-300mm f/4-5.6 G Lens 70 ish online and more in the shop. What do you think? I saw the online quick review for the Nikon as an "ok" budget lense. Is the extra 100 on the Sigma worth it?? The basic lense I got with the camera is a 28mm - 70mm (wuth Macro) so there would be some overlap. Tamon AF 28-200mm f/3.8-5.6 (IF) Nikon AFD is another that was mentioned at 70ish I also asked the advice of a keen photographer who dismissed these as rubbish and suggested I invest a grand on some huge telescope thing! (which I`m not).
Any views out there?? Anything better??

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Old 31-07-2006, 22:49   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Zoom lense confusion.

Hi Andy - IMO and generally speaking, you get what you pay for in a lens. The trick is to get the balance.I don't rate either the two lenses you mentioned but on the other hand you don't have to spend silly money (1,000 etc). For the sort of dosh you mention I don't think you'll get a quality zoom up to 300mm. So......to get you going I can recommend the Tamron 18-200 at about 270, cheaper off someone like OneStop. I have this lens and use it as my all-purpose, walkabout.

If you are looking for more zoom, eg 300mm, then be prepared to up the ante , mavbe 400+. Hope that helps some.
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Re: Zoom lense confusion.

Most if not all the major lens makers have "budget" zoom lenses in your price range, one of them, the Sigma 70-300 f4-5.6 APO DG gets good reviews (if you get a good copy) and comes in nicely under budget, might be worth a look

Three of our members have posted reviews in the "Equipment Reviews" area, here:- http://www.pixalo.com/reviews/showpr...uct/133/cat/14
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Re: Zoom lense confusion.

Ok thanks, so next question: Does a lens such as the one you mentioned effectivley replace my current lenses (the 28 to 70 and the 100mm fixed?) I have heard that "fixed" lense are better than zooms?? does the 28 - 70 warrant no more than a trade in against a larger range zoom??

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Re: Zoom lense confusion.

I don't know the lens model's you currently have so it's a bit hard to advise. You have said the you allready have a 28-70mm lens, so you have that zoom range covered... the lens I mentioned would compliment this lens, not replace it.

Regarding the 100mm "fixed lens" you have (or prime lens as they are more commonly refered to)... you'd really need to post it's make and model number before anyone could advise it's use to you.
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Re: Zoom lense confusion.

You might find this thread of interest re quality of lenses (prime vs zoom) http://www.pixalo.com/community/phot...lens-6647.html

Ref which zoom lens I would take the view point of what realistic end budget you have for such a lens. That way you can try to minimise financial loss on lenses whilst upgrading. For example I have seen the 70 70-300 Nikon lens go for over a 100 on EBAY second hand. This could be a great way to prove to yourself if you use that lens range that much, before deciding to spend more money, knowing you'll get your money back on this lens.
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Re: Zoom lense confusion.

Hi the 100mm lens I got with the "job lot" of camera gear I bought is a Sigma 105mm 1 :2.8 D Macro. I`ve only really used the Macro on it so far, though I`m still very much in the learning/experimentation phase.

I`ve asked a local few shops ref the Sigma 70-300mm f/4-5.6 APO DG Macro Lens as a poss "starter" zoom and all have given the thumbs up, though no one can match the price from "Onestop Digital" Are these guys ok? Anybody had any problems ref delivery or quality??



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Re: Zoom lense confusion.

I've never used them but I heard a lot of guys use them and speak very highly. It's probably one of the best HK suppliers, and apparently they will pay your import duty if you get stung.

I'm sure someone who's used them will come along.
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Re: Zoom lense confusion.

I've used Onestop and I had a VAT bill from FedEx a week after delivery. I posted it off to HK and they credited my PayPal account, so no problems.

The savings can vary quite a lot, and I usually prefer to buy from the UK in case there's a fault. Also you often get a better warranty. I bought a Sigma 150mm macro lens from Onestop because nobody in the UK had one.
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Re: Zoom lense confusion.

Can anyone recommend a UK supplier?? - That may get near one stop prices??

AND can anyone just clarify "walk about lens"??

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Re: Zoom lense confusion.

I'm not sure which one you're going for now the cheapest Sigma f4-5.6 APO DG Macro I can find is 155 at Camerabox. They also do the Sigma f3.5-6.3 DG Macro for 179.99.

Edit: Forgot about your second question. A walkabout lens is one you have on your camera, whilst walking around, (sorry) and it can cover a reasonably good range. It saves having to carry your whole kit or bag around with you. For example my walkabout is a Tamron AF 18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di-II. It will open up, in theory, to 18mm for a good wide-angle scenery shot but it will also zoom out to 200mm when you want to take close-ups. Basically, if I am in the car, the whole caboodle goes in the boot, if I am walking I take just the camera with the Tamron. HTH.
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Re: Zoom lense confusion.

So does the "walk about" lense lack the clarity of the individual lens selection?? Or why bother with more than one?
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Re: Zoom lense confusion.

i have tamron 28-200mm bought second hand before i knew more about lenses, it has its limitations, so would stear clear of it, although i have taken reasonable shots with it, it will now become a paperweight after buying canon lens, my 2 pics of swan and toads mating in wildlife/animal section in members gallery were taken with tamron, check the jagged edges out around the swan, ie , you get what you pay for

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Re: Zoom lense confusion.

Oh yes.....missed that bit. You have got to have some compromise and that's it. A "fast" lens is one that has a wide aperture eg f2.8 allowing you to have faster shutter speeds but you are talking high quality glass therefore high price. A Tamron 18-200 will give good IQ across the range but non of it excellent - therefore it's better in good light.

The best is a good prime lens eg f2.8 throughout the zoom range but...more money.
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Re: Zoom lense confusion.

Wow, this is quite a complicated subject. I think I will go to the camera store and have a go with as many as I can before they throw me out. Then get back home and few the results. Any tips for testing??

And another question: Sigma 70-300mm f4-5.6 DG MACRO Lens and Sigma 70-300mm f/4-5.6 APO DG Macro Lens. What does the DG and APO mean????

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Re: Zoom lense confusion.

That will have to wait til tomorrow.
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Re: Zoom lense confusion.

The lens won't cause jagged edges - that's down to the sensor or processing - lack of anti-aliasing.

Anyway, the Tamron 18-200 is a very decent lens but it works best in good light. As with most lenses it is sharpest and has least CA at a couple of stops down from wide open, so you really want to be using it at f/8 or f/11 to get the best results. It's a great general purpose lens when you can't or don't want to do a lot of lens swapping, and in fair conditions and normal viewing sizes you would struggle to see any difference in quality between it and something more exotic.

Lens nomenclature these days is like cars in the 1970s - the more letters in the badge, the faster they go.

Take a look at Sigma Imaging (UK) Ltd for an explanation. APO means it has low-dispersion glass, and DG is Sigma's digitally optimised range for both full frame and the APS-C cameras. The Sigma 70-300 is a very decent zoom with good semi-macro.
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Re: Zoom lense confusion.

I'm hoping that nobody minds me re-activating this thread.

I have a brief trip to Tenerife coming up shortly whcih has caught me out a little bit. I had intended to buy myself the new Nikon 70-300mm VR lens as my own Christmas present. However due to the trip, I need it now (no patience sorry!).

It doesn't look as though the lens is going to be shipped this side of Christmas so I'm casting around for alternatives. Their is a whale watching trip on offer so I think I could so with something that goes to at least 300mm.

I'm reasonably happy to give the Sigma 28-300 a go and simply ebay if/when I outgrow it or as the result of a renewed gear frenzy but there is one thing I'm not clear on from all the published material.

The Sigma is described as Internal Focus but seems to include the focus lock to prevent zoom creep. I'm hoping that this means that the lens is not a "tromboning" type whcih extends significantly. I have an elderly Canon 100-200mm lens like this and it is a terrible piece of engineering, tip the camera down and there is an enormous clank as the zoom crashes onto it's end stops.

I'd be severely tempted by the Tamron 18-200 but fear it won't be long enough for my purposes.

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Re: Zoom lense confusion.

Although the 18-200 lenses get quite favourable comments, I've always (rightly or wrongly) been a little wary of zoom lenses with large zoom ranges from quite wide angles. Having said that, the 18-200 is fantastic as a 'only lens you really need 95% of the time' lens.

If you have the 18-70 kit lens (think you are a Nikon user), why not grab a 70-300? I think they are good value, and it will give you well enough, i would have thought.
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