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A week in venice with Joe McNally

Hi Guys,

I'm really excited as I have booked a workshop in Venice with Joe McNally in June.
This is the link to the workshop:

I'm a big fan of his work and was really happy when a spot was came available and I were the next one on the waiting list.

It's funny that I still shoot my 40D but hope that this will give me now the real push to get the D700.

Anyhow, even not. I'm sure there is a lot to learn.
I also would like to bring a video camera with me and record every second, will be interesting if it will be allowed.
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Re: A week in venice with Joe McNally

Hi Together,

I thought I try to write a review of the VSP Workshop in Venice which I joined last week.
The workshop was called 'Mastering Light the Nikon Way' and was led by Joe McNally.

It was a 5 day event which includes shooting in Venezian Palazzos and Villas, Ballet dancers at dawn in San Marco Square and later around that area in groups, closing on the last day with a shooting of one Ballerina on stage where Joe goes through all the steps from straight flash portrait to multiple flash, multiple exposure and motion capturing.

The general idea of the workshop is that you work in small groups. Each group working the challenges you are facing on location, including having a model which you need to work with and not 'loose'. Joe then helps and supports the shoot without totally controlling it.
I was really happy with this style as I was afraid up front that there would be only 'pre set-ups' without any influence of the students. In fact, other then the 1h dawn shooting and the last day, everything was totally up to the student and his creativity so everyone was able to say that it was his hot at the end.

Each shooting session is then followed the next day by a review session where each shot is discussed and each member explains what the idea was, how it was approached, what the problems were and what may be still left to do. Joe then many times explained how he saw the situation and what alternatives would exist.
What was really nice was that all participants worked great together, supporting each other and there was never a bad mood.

What was also really interesting to see through the course is that each student improved dramatically after the first day of shooting and results got much stronger day by day.
This is true for all members other then me... I made what I think my best shot (#1) in the last 3 minutes of the first day. One flash through a Tri-Grip diffusor.


About Joe:

Joe McNally was and now even more is the photographer I admire most. This not only because of his outstanding work and dedication, also because of his personality which shines through in his book 'The moment it clicks', his blog posts and videos.
Interesting, when he was asked what keeps him going he said that he thinks that his best pictures are still out there and not taking pictures is like stop breathing.

Having now met him the only thing I can say is that it's a blessing to life in the same time period he does and it's a gift that I had the chance to meet him.
Joe is not only funny, gracious, dedicated, brilliant and equipped with endless patience but also on the of nicest people on our planet.
What impressed me maybe most is that he shows and let you feel that life is not worth anything if you do not have someone who loves you and you love.

The day after the workshop was finished, I had the chance to assist him on his private shoot. As everyone can imagine, I felt very blessed that I could give him a hand and it was a real life example of what a bed sheet else can do to you ( check his latest blog entry) . Even nicer, he mentioned me kindly with nice words on his blog post. ( Life is sometimes real good to you...)

Oh, one more thing:
Before I was leaving, I asked him for one more minute to take a portrait of him.
He said yes but I better had to do it right now. Shocked by the opportunity I struggled with almost everything. Camera shake, shutter speed, light which was too bright reflected from the wall outside the window, the artificial light in his back which killed the white balance.....
Additional to that, I made only 6 frames because I did not want to stress him too much ( I should have made 600 and just never released the shutter. I think if he would have been in my situation, he would have done it).
Anyhow, I got really lucky! The last frame was not too bad, not critical sharp but something I really like.

So, what can I say. I'm more than happy that I carved out the time and went to Venice because it turned into the best thing I ever experienced in my short photography life.


Information about VSP:

VSP Workshops is run by Jonathan Maher and his wife.

Jonathan is very dedicated to achieve the best possible outcome and tries every minute of the day to support you. This means also outside the shooting sessions.
Two examples:
- My hotel had no laundry and so he organized me washing in his own hotel. Another example:
- There was one night without group dinner and I'm pretty sure he would have loved to be on his own. But because many people did not really know what to do, he again took us somewhere for dinner which is quiet a challenge for the size of group we have been without reservation.



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Re: A week in venice with Joe McNally

Thank you so much for taking the time to write this Frank. It is really interesting, and I'll be re-reading it from time to time.

Your portraits here are excellent - particularly the mono - it ticks all of the boxes for me

Well done. Am I right in thinking the cost of the course excludes accomodation?
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Thank you Graham.

Regarding the accomodation, you are right. The workshop price exlude it.
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Re: A week in venice with Joe McNally

WOW, what a great opportunity. Re improvements, from your recent shots I think you had the lighting process pretty well sorted before the course, so this would just allow you to take it to another level.

Love the lighting on shot #1. Care to expand on setup ?

What an honour to be mentioned on Joe's blog & an inward link from a page rank 6 site is always a great plus

Did I miss the cost of the course somewhere ?

Would love to do a course with Tejada, as he has lighting nailed with just a couple of strobes. Wrong country though
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Did I miss the cost of the course somewhere ?
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WOW, what a great opportunity. Re improvements, from your recent shots I think you had the lighting process pretty well sorted before the course, so this would just allow you to take it to another level.

Love the lighting on shot #1. Care to expand on setup ?

What an honour to be mentioned on Joe's blog & an inward link from a page rank 6 site is always a great plus

Did I miss the cost of the course somewhere ?

Would love to do a course with Tejada, as he has lighting nailed with just a couple of strobes. Wrong country though
Hi Dave,

thank you for your kind words.

Light in #1 was the simplest one I took in the week and turned out as the one I liked most.
There was one flash fired through a Tri-Grip diffusor camera left held by my college.

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They always say the simplest setups are best

How were you all triggering the lights ? PW's or CLS for the Nikon people
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How were you all triggering the lights ? PW's or CLS for the Nikon people
We used CLS of Nikon. Either a SB900/SB800 or SU800. Never had a proble,.

Amazing. When I went with Joe to do the Bedsheet shoot at St. Marco , he fired the SU800 through the bed sheet and the flashes, around 5-6 meters away, picked the signal up. Pretty strong unit!
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wow thats a lot of money............... i love the first shot......... the 2nd one the guy looks a bit like Jerry springer.......... and ok im gonna admit to never having heard of joe mcnally but then i rarely pay attention to names!
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Hi fiona,

the guy in the 2nd shot is Joe McNally.

If you have never heard of him, maybe check his website http://www.joemcnally.com or his Blog Joe McNally's Blog. It's really worth a visit.
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We used CLS of Nikon. Either a SB900/SB800 or SU800. Never had a proble,.

Amazing. When I went with Joe to do the Bedsheet shoot at St. Marco , he fired the SU800 through the bed sheet and the flashes, around 5-6 meters away, picked the signal up. Pretty strong unit!
Did anyone have a D700 or lower models with use of built in flash to fire the CLS system ? Reason for asking is I tried CLS with the D200, but found outdoors when using a wide angle (Sigma 10-20mm), if the off camera flash was too far to the side (eg degrees, not distance), it wouldn't trigger

I also assume you used flashes in Manual mode ? If so, how did you take readings .... through histogram , or light meters ?
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Thanks for writing that Frank, I enjoyed reading every second of it. That was a great mention you had in his blog too.
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Did anyone have a D700 or lower models with use of built in flash to fire the CLS system ? Reason for asking is I tried CLS with the D200, but found outdoors when using a wide angle (Sigma 10-20mm), if the off camera flash was too far to the side (eg degrees, not distance), it wouldn't trigger

I also assume you used flashes in Manual mode ? If so, how did you take readings .... through histogram , or light meters ?
Hi Dave,

there were people, using a D300 or a D90 with the built in flash and it workd fine indoors. Outdoors I think it's getting pretty hard, even I did a shoot yesterday, outdoors but was only around 3m away from the subject.

Most of the time, ttl was used. Very seldom, in real dark areas, manual was used. But manual on the Nikon system means also TTL which means through the lens metering.

There is also a full manual mode on the Nikon flashed but it was never used. In the full manual mode, the flashes reacting just on a flash light to be activaded and then sending x-power out. No through the lens metering.
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Wow that sounds really great. It was very nice to read your review Clafra. And Joe's pictures are amazing. I think that you would really have to love photography if you pay for a course like that. But it sounds well worth it though.

I thought I'd remembered it right. I know that name through you and giving the advice of his dvd. Did you ask him why the dvd is only sold in the USA?

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Did anyone have a D700 or lower models with use of built in flash to fire the CLS system ? Reason for asking is I tried CLS with the D200, but found outdoors when using a wide angle (Sigma 10-20mm), if the off camera flash was too far to the side (eg degrees, not distance), it wouldn't trigger

I also assume you used flashes in Manual mode ? If so, how did you take readings .... through histogram , or light meters ?
Sorry Dave,

I missed the readings question.

Reading was always taken through the Histogram, never with a light meter.
Of course there was a light meter available but we did not shoot anything which required it.

Joe actually made a joke about the histogram on the camera and that some people say you should never use it..... well... it's like talking on the phone while driving.....

One more thing I forgot to say: After this course I fully realised how little I know!
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Wow that sounds really great. It was very nice to read your review Clafra. And Joe's pictures are amazing. I think that you would really have to love photography if you pay for a course like that. But it sounds well worth it though.

I thought I'd remembered it right. I know that name through you and giving the advice of his dvd. Did you ask him why the dvd is only sold in the USA?
Hi Dutchie,

I forgot to ask why it's only sold in the US. It may be that it is a Nikon DVD and they may have thought that they need to translate it if they sell it in Europe.

Not really smart....
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Brace yourself.....

I saw Joe at the Nikon Solutions show in Cologne, Germany. I was really looking forward to his workshops, he was doing one on each of the two show days. I have two of his books and really enjoyed them.

He was awful!

He sounds like Ned Flanders. He couldn't get his speedlights to work and instead of moving on just bored the audience. I thought day 2 would be better. Nope - he had no personality and just droned on. I walked out half way.

He writes well though!

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Just seen this thread ... Oh what a bucky lugger you are Frank I'm a big fan of Joe McNally, and am totally jealous of you! That's a good portrait of him, I like it I got sidetracked while following your links, and found Joe's equipment list ... I just laughed out loud as I scrolled down the never-ending page

Not cheap but a great sounding course + chance to work with the great Joe McNally, + you even got a mention/link on his blog, good for you Frank
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Thanks Clarfa for writing the personal experience with "Joe McNally".. after much persuasion by my elder brother I have purchased his book "The moment it click"..and that is how I do come to know about Joe.. Well my bro. is also looking forward to enroll himself in one of his workshop.. But time being he is concentrating on his "Yosemita"trip

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Hi Liu,
"The moment it click" was also the book which how I came to know about Joe and is at the same time the book which Inspired me to pursue the photography path.
It has been tuntil today the book which moved my soul most and has helped me endless times to keep on the path.

Interesting, the Venice group is still sharing pictures even people were from all over the world. ( Mexico, USA, Australia, Bulgaria, Germany...). Joe is also always on CC and gives feedback.
Amazing if you consider what his schedule must look like.

He is such a nice guy!
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