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Old 16-12-2008, 17:22   #1 (permalink)
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3:2 Versus 4:3

Hi,

Can you tell me why I have a choice of which size of photo I can take 3:2 or 4:3 in and which is best?
Why in fact do I have a choice at all?
Is it to do with resizing or the subjet matter i.e. landscape or portrait photos?

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Re: 3:2 Versus 4:3

Unless you are talking about cropping your shots during post processing, the majority of cameras (although there are exceptions) use one ratio as dictated by the sensor.

What camera do you have?
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Re: 3:2 Versus 4:3

Its for viewing in the appropriate format on your monitor or tv.
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Old 16-12-2008, 20:03   #4 (permalink)
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Re: 3:2 Versus 4:3

I'm talking about a Lumix FZ18 - I mean you can set it to take pictures in both ratios just as you can crop in presets of both. on most manipulation software.
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Re: 3:2 Versus 4:3

Like I said, you set the ratio to suit your monitor or tv screen. 3:2 is for normal shooting ,prints etc and viewing on older type monitors; 4:3 is for pics that you will normally view on your wide screen tv. I have the LX3 which has an extra format-16:9- which is for viewing on very wide tv screens. For normal pics ,use 3:2.

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Old 16-12-2008, 23:19   #6 (permalink)
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Re: 3:2 Versus 4:3

The 4:3 ratio was introduced with digital cameras, whereas previously 3:2 was the format used by SLR's.

You have a choice, well so that you can choose which format you prefer, I guess

Generally the 4:3 aspect ratio suits more subjects than does the 3:2 ratio, which might suit some landscapes or portrait-orientated full-length portraits, as it's quite elongated by comparison.
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Re: 3:2 Versus 4:3

And to match a widescreen monitor, just choose 1.6:1.

(Who, I mean who, dreamed up that one? )
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Thanks for all the input everyone - much appreciated.
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Re: 3:2 Versus 4:3

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The 4:3 ratio was introduced with digital cameras, whereas previously 3:2 was the format used by SLR's.

You have a choice, well so that you can choose which format you prefer, I guess

Generally the 4:3 aspect ratio suits more subjects than does the 3:2 ratio, which might suit some landscapes or portrait-orientated full-length portraits, as it's quite elongated by comparison.
Charlotte has posted the correct reasoning behind the different formats being offered by your camera. Obviously depending on the format chosen will depend how much of the TV screen the shot fills if you are using that medium for viewing the shots but its not for that reason that the option was first given to you by the manufacturer.

Some photographers are old school and don't like big changes, getting these people to embrace digital is hard enough anyway without making them change the ratio's of their finished work, some may say its a smart move other may say its a marketing gimmick, wherever you sit though having choice can't be all that bad
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Re: 3:2 Versus 4:3

Panasonic dreamed that one up ; read the camera manual silkstone!
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Re: 3:2 Versus 4:3

Manual? No, you've lost me there.
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Re: 3:2 Versus 4:3

Oh........... it comes with a manual..............
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Re: 3:2 Versus 4:3

A manual? Surely that is the biggest misnomer going.... should be called a womanual as they are the only ones who read them!

Just why are we men so pig-headed sometimes? We don't read manuals and we never stop and ask for directions when we have other people in the car. On our own we all do it but don't tell my wife, she'll be most annoyed!

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Re: 3:2 Versus 4:3

Hi Topbloke, as most often I bring up the end of the thread,. I have a lieca camera with the 3 options. The ratio is just an option as stated for viewing or like me, what you like. When I have the camera in my hand I use the 16:9 as it is a novality. I always shoot in the 3:2 so its fun to have a change. Panasonic is licenced to make those lumix cameras with Lieca parts and ideas at a lesser cost. Lieca is very costly. I have a couple of pictures in the review section for the D-LUX 3 point and shoot using the 16:9 ratio.
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Re: 3:2 Versus 4:3

Hi Boofers.

Thanks for that - I wasn't sure if the ratio had any impact when you came to get enlarged prints. I.e pictures taken at 3:2 will obviously be perfect for a 6:4 print but what happens if it's been taken at 4:3?
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Re: 3:2 Versus 4:3

Hi Topbloke, I would guess (it's been awhile sence I've printed in a 4:3 format), that on an 8.5X11 paper that a 4:3 would leave less white and fit better when printed full size. A 3:2 as I do print more often leaves extra white along one edge, so the 16:9 would leave more. Personally I use a paper cutter and print and cut the size layout I want for a frame and edge facing for framing. If you really want to learn about printing and sizing, layout a page to print on a multi cutout frame for a number of pictures, such as a number of grandkids in a frame full of cut outs. You would resize each picture and place so it would fit in each spot of the cutouts. You need a photo editing program and it sounds hard, but I can tell you that you won't worry about sizing your pictures with that experience under your belt. I've gone out of topic, but photo printing and sizeing can be a lot of fun and the pictures are great fun to look at.
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Re: 3:2 Versus 4:3

Thanks Boofer, but I think I've lost my way on this one.............

Let me give you an example.
Use a photo you know you took in 4:3 and using a Crop programme set the Area Ratio to 3:2.
Set the frame to start in the top left corner and drag the bottom right corner as far as you can.
You will be left with a fair amount of the picture missing along the bottom edge.
Surely this means that if you want to keep the aspect ratio of your picture when you print at 3:2 (i.e a 6"x 4" photo) some of the picture will be either missing or the aspect ratio changed?
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Re: 3:2 Versus 4:3

Photo print sizes are a nightmare unless you trim the print afterwards.

6x4 - OK, that matches the 35mm and DSLR aspect ratio of 3:2, but it's a bit small.
7x5 - Doesn't match anything.
8x6 - Matches the 'compact' 4:3 format.
10x8 - Doesn't match anything
A4 and other 'A' sizes - Has a ratio of 1:1.4142 which doesn't match anything.

So basically you either have to crop your image and lose bits at the sides or top/bottom, or the print ends up wih margins that you have to trim off.
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Re: 3:2 Versus 4:3

Must admit that I tend to compose my shots to 3:2 (preferred), 4:3 or square in the main as I find them the most pleasing aspect ratios. I'll occasionally use letterbox and will crop to a free format if the subject warrants it but this seems to happen very rarely
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Re: 3:2 Versus 4:3

Olympus and Panasonic dslr cameras are all 4/3rds. The new Olympus E30 allows any ratio you like. Olympus, Leica, Panasonic, and Sigma are the only lens makers. However adaptors are easily and cheaply available for almost any lens except Canon. With Olympus the focus confirm light and in-body stabilization work with other mount type lenses. I had a Minolta-Rokker 45mm and a 100-200mm given to me. They are over 25 years old in great condition and work fine on my E510. Of course the foreign type lenses only operate with manual focus while used that way.
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Re: 3:2 Versus 4:3

Yes, the 'four thirds' system actually makes better use of the lens image circle than the traditional 3/2 ratio of other (D)SLRs, by not wasting as much from the height.

Square would be even better (assuming that circular photos are not in vogue )
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Re: 3:2 Versus 4:3

Silkstone, I think you've given the most understanding of the subject, but a big thank you to all contributers.I am a lot wiser than I was when I started this subject train.
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