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Old 19-05-2008, 13:17   #1 (permalink)
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40D Picture style

Ive been told by an assistant in a camera shop to keep my picture style on faithful, and edit, is this about right i shoot in av, i had it on standard and he thinks my pics are too Contrasty
does any one with a 40D use faithful thanks....Ray

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Re: 40D Picture style

i have 40d and i'm using standard set for all photos i take. but i'm trying to use RAW as much as i can - you could edit every single parameter on your computer then. it works very well when using this software suplied with the camera.

my advice is - try RAW with all settings neutral/standard and then look what you can do in software. you'll like it.
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i have 40d and i'm using standard set for all photos i take. but i'm trying to use RAW as much as i can - you could edit every single parameter on your computer then. it works very well when using this software suplied with the camera.

my advice is - try RAW with all settings neutral/standard and then look what you can do in software. you'll like it.
Thank you marcinklysewic, i will eventually but i dont think im ready just yet, thank you for replying
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Re: 40D Picture style

I've recently gone from shooting RAW back to JPEG. Shock horror.
The reason for this is that the Picture mode thingys in the D300 are so good, that I would rather get it right in cam, and cut down my workflow by about 2 hours! If you get the in camera settings right then you can get some brilliant results
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If you get the in camera settings right then you can get some brilliant results
But if you get them wrong you are stuck with the cameras choice
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Re: 40D Picture style

Sorry I can't help Ray, my 40D has been set to shoot RAW since I got it, I've never even tried the Jpeg styles.
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But if you get them wrong you are stuck with the cameras choice
that's why it's worth spending some time doing tests and evaluating. Sort of like batch processing, but done beforehand!
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Re: 40D Picture style

Thank you guys, having tried the faithful style i find the result wishy washy but it was soon looking ok after i edited it am i aloud to show the results here
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I've recently gone from shooting RAW back to JPEG. Shock horror.
The reason for this is that the Picture mode thingys in the D300 are so good, that I would rather get it right in cam, and cut down my workflow by about 2 hours! If you get the in camera settings right then you can get some brilliant results
Your camera settings are recorded in the exif of your raw files. Therfor the settings you use can be reproduced with NEFs.

Even better, you can change settings AFTER shooting to test which ones might have been better in that situation.
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Re: 40D Picture style

This is the original shot in faithful and untouched



And this is the same photo tickled up in acdsee

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Your camera settings are recorded in the exif of your raw files. Therfor the settings you use can be reproduced with NEFs.

Even better, you can change settings AFTER shooting to test which ones might have been better in that situation.
I know that, but pretty much only the manufacturer's software (in this case Capture NX) lets you keep these settings, and I'm talking about controlling workflow, and saving disk space. Shooting NEFs leaves me an extra stage when saving for web etc. in PS, and takes up over twice the amount of space on my HD.
I wouldn't have argued this until the D300 with it's great JPEGs. I was a stoic RAW shooter...


EDIT: Ray your edit seems to have brought some life to the shot, although you've lost a bit of detail in the very darkest areas. Good PPing though, it pops now
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Re: 40D Picture style

I am rather interested in your reply Jack. I have been waiting for the Lumix FX500 for a while now, to replace my powershot A640. It has now appeared and without raw shooting facilities so I scrapped the idea. Perhaps I should rethink!

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Re: 40D Picture style

Ah. Now the thing is, while I'd recommend the D300's JPEGs, that is not to say that all camera's shoot good JPEGs. Plus, I wouldn't like not to have the option of shooting RAW, and when I get more memory I may well go back to it, or shoot RAW + JPEG.
I don't think it's worth buying a serious camera that doesn't have RAW facilities, it's almost a contradiction in terms.
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Ah. Now the thing is, while I'd recommend the D300's JPEGs, that is not to say that all camera's shoot good JPEGs. Plus, I wouldn't like not to have the option of shooting RAW, and when I get more memory I may well go back to it, or shoot RAW + JPEG.
I don't think it's worth buying a serious camera that doesn't have RAW facilities, it's almost a contradiction in terms.
Thank you for your comment Jack. I will sit on it for a while and let my thoughts gel.
Of course it would only be a convenience camera, any serious stuff I would shoot on my 5D.

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Ray....if you are happy taking jpgs then do so. The 40D will take quality jpgs equal to other cameras, yes, even the D300. It would take a very discerning eye to notice differences and those differences will likely be down to differing style settings.

No-one can tell you which settings to use. Picture style settings allow you to try, experiment, compare and then select the settings which suit you. You are using digital. It costs you nothing so I would recommend you pick a spot, your street will do. Set your camera up on a tripod and take shots using a range of settings and then compare on your monitor. You will soon find the optimum settings for your use.
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But your shooting JPEGs at the moment

How did people manage with film
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Argh you know perfectly well what I mean. Plus, I said I wouldn't like not to have the option of RAW, and when I get more memory I may well switch back. There are situations when I would definitely use RAW, but for those when I don't need it...why bother?
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your frustration is borne out by the fact we all know you've gone a bit loopy

Had u said u where using JPGs to save on CF space then we probably wouldn't have picked on you as much

Saying the in-camera jpg processing is sufficient, albeit only for you, was always destined to cause some jocularity.

FYI, disk space is currently costing about 10p a gig. That's 0.1p a nef.

Now granted it's a moot point if you don't have 0.1p but still... Sell some blood or if that's too drastic, delete some of that crap u yoofs so optimitically call music, trash those movies, they're probably crap anyway. Or, in very extreme circumstances, trim down that truly gigantic porn collection and you'll save some disk space.

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Re: 40D Picture style

ROFL, love the way this thread has gone - though perhaps felt sorry for poor Ray whose question disappeared LOL. But6 it's a relevant point the others have made and no matter what Jack thinks, I will never accept that jpg is as good as the potential from a RAW photo. What I didn't get was this time saving claim and then the comment 'so you set up, do tests and stuff...' surely that is wasting time too!

Oh well, I am sticking with RAW for good, no matter how good my camera does jpgs because compression loses detail, however small that is.

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ps I would stick with Standard as my settings Ray and go for adjustments afterwards. You'll still find you adjust them in faithful anyway
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I have just been trying out the AE Lock and what a difference this makes to the dark photos i was getting ive had a few too bright now but all the same its fun the wife thinks ive gone Mentalbut im loving every minute of it
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No....comment.
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WHY NOT
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I've always taken the view that I like to record an image without 'enhancements' on the grounds that it is easier to do this afterwards rather than trying to undo something that the camera has added to the original file.
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Yeah it is but it also takes an extra ten minutes! That's all I'm saying. But I wont say it again....so....ner!
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