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Old 27-10-2014, 11:09   #1 (permalink)
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Adobe Creative Cloud one year on - was it good value?

I have posted this in general Photography as it is more about the value for money and future of the Adobe services rather than about image editing itself. Almost 12 months ago, I decided to take up the Adobe Photoshop CC offer and the 12 months will have cost £105. The deal included LR5 (the upgrade was worth £60) and Photoshop CC was eventually upgraded to a 2014 version. Adobe claim that there are about 1000 improvements in the current PS CC (2014) version compared to CS6. Most of these improvements are invisible to me largely because they are aimed at illustrators so I do not use them. The only change of note that I use is the tool for removing camera shake. So are these changes worth £45. Probably not to me though they would to many users. Many were convinces that Adobe would significantly increase the price after one year; I was never convinced of that.

Yesterday Adobe contacted me about renewal and if, I do nothing, my subscription will continue at almost the same price (a few pence less). I have decided to continue as I would expect LR6 to be released in the next 12 months. I wonder if Adobe will release LR6 as a licenced product or will it only be part of CC? What are others experiences with CC so far?
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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud one year on - was it good value?

I've just renewed. I have to say that I don't like the leasing model as, like you, I find that most of the upgraded features I don't use and I would prefer to buy the software and upgrade it when I want to. I was quite happy with what CS3 offered me, and I do still have this on my computer along with my copy of LR4. However, you might remember in another thread that you highlighted some compatibility issues between different versions of LR and Photoshop, and ACR is linked to specific LR and PS versions too, so I bit the bullet and joined the Photography CC.

I too was concerned that year on year the price would rise until eventually I would not be able to justify it, so I've got an escape plan - Capture One plus Elements or maybe Corel. However, I'm sure that I recently saw that C1 is also offering a lease plan too.

So far Adobe have been releasing LR licences for every upgrade. How long this will last is in the lap of the Gods. The deciding factor will be money as I bet that if Adobe make more money from leasing than sales we will see more products available only by leasing, and if this happens I think that others will follow.

Is it good value? Probably not really for my level of use, but I am prepared to pay the monthly cost for now.
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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud one year on - was it good value?

It used to be that Adobe had cornered the market to themselves. All the photo magazines only gave tutorials' on Adobe products and occasionally Paint Shop Pro. Now there are many more programs to choose from. Like DXO for Raw files I find this better than LR or as good as. Corel Paint shop Pro, On-one , Capture one and more. I you use any of these you should be happy enough.
I am using DXO to convert to tiff and then CS3 if I want to clone or use layers etc. I also have Elements 10 which I hate, I save my images in 16bit and elements only allows 8bit. I also hate the way it imports images and saves them as everything seems to disappear at times and it is a job to find them again. None of this bother with DXO or CS3. so I rarely use it.
When I now go out and take a lot of pictures I download the card on to an external hard drive then open them in "Fastone" a free program and click slide show and I can view all my RAW files on full screen, so convenient.
Adobe may be the best for graphic designers etc. but for the like of us there is so much we will never understand or even use.
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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud one year on - was it good value?

Canon software is a little slow, it's better today sence then. I keep it up to date and look in on it once in awhile. My daughter uses it and I marvel at her colors. When I have used it the colors are better then PS. So slight that I use PS CS5 and won't up grade to 6. I too liked CS3 it has never been the same, it won't run on my computer anymore, outdated software. I use corel software and have their Raw converter, works well and will replace ACR if needed. DXO I used in the past but have to pay for the whole banana if I want to upgrade to my new computer, also it only then exported Raw to Tiffs making the files to large. I always had another step to convert to PSD which I like, it goes between PS and Corel. Booth support layers. I won't go too the rental system, I worked to hard to pay for and own my own house and software. Remember I use apple so the cloud system Which I can control, like turn off or turn on is good, their cloud system is for hardware intergration.
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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud one year on - was it good value?

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I also have Elements 10 which I hate, I save my images in 16bit and elements only allows 8bit.
You can get a plug-in that allows Elements to use 16bit files.

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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud one year on - was it good value?

If PS continues at its current price in CC then I am happy with it. Generally around the same for PS when you bought it/upgraded every 3 versions ( 3 years ).

Would prefer it was not a lease model - but there you go. Several companies now do this, and has been a business way of charging for decades.
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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud one year on - was it good value?

When Adobe went to "rental" I dropped PS and like Colin I use DXO, with Elements 11 for if I need to remove things or go "arty". The main thing about elements is it tries to save everything, so you need to un-tick it constantly.( I save to 2 external HDs) I save in 16 bit Tiff and DXO can do that. If I need to save images as Jpeg it is for someone to have them on a CD and I use Elements to do that and save them as 8 bit, as they usually want them for web or monitor viewing.
So I can do everything CS could do for under £300 and the DXO updates are frequent and free.
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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud one year on - was it good value?

Ya know guy's, there is some very good points made here and that pry's at me to think about changing and giving in. Two questions, I don't like but understand the activate system for PS. It always shows pop-ups for signing up for services from adobe. Does the rent for services from adobe keep interrupting you when you move around the new app.? This is important to me as when I sit down to work I have a narrow sight line and don't like to be interrupted with a sales pitch. My computer runs either net as wireless is a far reach to the end of my house. Hope you all can shed a little light as I am in Grahams shoes when I want to up grade to a newer camera.
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I regret the money every month that comes out of my account but i don't regret having lightroom photoshop illustrator and adobe compressor (installs with premiere) at my disposal..

I couldn't get by with just photoshop and lightroom, because I use illustrator to do vector files for my vinyl plotter.

I also have a backup plan in the unlikely event that I ever decide lightroom isn't for me. Corel after shot 2 and adobe photoshop elements. But I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen.

I can barely correct a photo in photoshop now. I use it for doing edits now - that can't be done in lightroom. Funny how 5 years of not using an app in a certain capacity atrophies skills. Frankly 99% of what I do could be done in elements and lightroom. But it's that final 1% that I'm paying for, i guess.
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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud one year on - was it good value?

I was hurt pretty bad as software goes at the switch of PPC to Intel. I used final cut studio and had gatten a good deal Illustrator 10 just to learn the pen tool and under stand vector creation. Adobe followed suite and stopped support for their software. I finally gave in and switched to a new computer just recently and lost most of any software I enjoyed. I understand everything you say Lcraft, but the people who were the friendly ones are the ones I are drawn to. I know money talks and customers walk. Adobe finally came out with and up grade that changed their old 32bit stuck deep in PS so I would have better running 64bit program but now I am faced with what you explained. I really like Apple but have come to dislike how they handle the operating system. It feels like manipulation and I rember when I asked about final cut at the apple store and not being able to upgrade to intel version, thry said because thats how we make money. I have wanted to invest to another OS sence. Part of the problem for me. But this Question in the thread from Dave has helped clear the air for me for the first time. I think some times only photo people understand what that is.
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I Frankly 99% of what I do could be done in elements and lightroom. But it's that final 1% that I'm paying for, i guess.
I can understand this. I too do most of the editing in Lightroom but also use various Plug-ins (Topaz, Nik, OnOne, Oloneo etc.). All of these Plugins can be accessed directly from Lightroom. Yes you are right that I do use a few of the special features of PS CC (1% or thereabouts). I have often thought, if I was told I no longer have access to PS and had to use PSE, then as long as I have Lightroom (and my Plug-ins), it would not really affect my photography. This is the reason why Adobe have to be careful with pricing. At the current prices they can keep me on board for CC but a significant increase would lose me.

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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud one year on - was it good value?

I tend to do a round trip through photoshop to apply filters - except for NIK's HDR app.. Because I can control the transparency of the effect after it is applied as a smart object. Not all the time..

I would like to see filters become lightroom plugins that could plug into the LR rendering engine so they don't require creation of a new TIFF/PSD in my library..

Probably not going to happen but it would be neat. An example was Bibble Pro which did it, and technically now Corel Aftershot, except support by third parties seems to have dried up since being purchased by Corel. There were some beautiful black and white and color control plugins..
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well all very interesting... up until now i have been dead against the rental version... why? cos i felt they had you over a barrell........ I have however just been given a years free subscription with my new camera ( as well as light room 5 and elements 12 on CDs and a £300 intuos tablet...... so i will most likely in the next month or two download and install it on hte computer. i will however keep all my old software oin the computer as well!
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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud one year on - was it good value?

Same here never like rental versions of any software, hence sticking to my paid versions and what I am used to.
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Re: Adobe Creative Cloud one year on - was it good value?

I feel that Adobe and M.S both have a "Nanny knows best" attitude to their customers, M.S have however been forced to reconsider windows due to the fact that industry have not accepted windows 8, next year they will be bringing out windows 10 (10 to signify a new start) it will be biased to PCs rather than other devises and revert to the more "traditional" way of operating.
I will see what it is like before I update my (4 years old) machine. I was going to change to apple as I thought if I need to learn a new system then why not.
Adobe need a similar wakeup, there are so many alternatives for anyone prepared to look for them, including Gimp witch is free, never tried it but have been told it is very similar to PS4.
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I suspect that the many alternatives now being offered for image editing does put pressure on Adobe. At the phone/tablet end of the market Adobe also has a LR App if you have CC but I have not tried this. In the consumer market generally there are a lot of options now and DXo and OnOne have some significant software. However, at the professional end there seems to be little to compete with Lightroom coupled with other external editors and Plug-ins. At my camera club there were few using LR 5 years ago but now 45% use LR. Originally when LR was first released, I used the Bridge and PS and could not see why LR would help me. As I ended up with a copy of LR2, I used it for 3 months and was convinced. Many club members are sceptical to start with but become very enthusiastic after using LR for a while. I believe LR is Adobe's key product for photography remembering that PS is designed for Illustrators. While LR remains a product that you can buy, many will see no reason to take up CC which is why I wonder whether Adobe will release LR6 outside CC.
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The Amateur Photography Magazine recently did a comparison review on Lightroom 5 and DXO The result was that DXO was the best as it did slightly better in the highlights and shadow recovery but the difference was only marginal, both were awarded *****.
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I recently downloaded the free version of DXo Optics Pro 7 and I was both impressed and disappointed though of course the current version is 9. I was generally impressed with the fact that they were producing something to rival Adobe. DXo initially sets the values automatically but made poor choices on the couple of images I tried. However, you do not have to accept these choices and can set controls manually as you would in LR. It also seemed to me that if you want full workflow, you would still need to use LR. DX0 Pro7 does not integrate with LR but V9 does which suggest that they recognise that LR is key to many photographers workflow. I probably will not carry out a detailed evaluation as I do not need to change my Raw processing. My photography is not limited by my camera equipment or software but by my own creative skills (or lack of them). I hope Dx0 continue to develop their product and keep pressure on Adobe prices.
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I was talking to Pflyer the other day and he said he's makeing the jump to PS and LR for 10 US dollars a month. It seems to make him very happy to have that selection only of software. I'm breaking down altho I am holding out as long as I can. I am very happy with my processing set up. Oh well, it's been a good thread
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When I subscribed to CC I planned on being on my feet using my vinyl plotter this fall/winter. So I am paying to have the whole suite right now to get AI rather than just PS/LR. As things turn out I have given a long hard look at all the various toys I have and am eliminating a lot. One being the vinyl plotter..

So for the next 7 months I'll be paying for stuff I don't really need. When my renewal is up it will be the Photographer's bundle, for sure...

In all I have no real complaints about CC/subscription. They even really graciously handled a credit card SNAFU on my part. I had an expired card and it failed to auth on dec 1. they didn't shut me off immediately. Gave me an opportunity to fix my registered card and then rebilled on the 10th.

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