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Old 30-09-2007, 10:45   #1 (permalink)
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Adobe lightroom 1.2 - running slow

Does anybody use this?

I have upgraded my computer to 2gb of RAM and lightroom is still slow at rendering images and often freezes and/or crashes.

Does anybody have any advice on how to speed the darn thing up?

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Old 30-09-2007, 12:57   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Adobe lightroom 1.2

I'm just off out at the mo'. I'll look in later.
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Re: Adobe lightroom 1.2

What kind of system is it? I have Lightroom on my main computer which is very high spec and I also have it on my laptop which has 2G of Ram and a 2.2Ghz Centrino. It only runs slightly slower and pretty well on the laptop so I assume it is not as resource hungry as CS3. I have noticed that Adobe stuff is less happy with Athlon processors. I'd try re-installing lightroom before anything else though.
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Re: Adobe lightroom 1.2

I have an Athlon processor and both LR and CS3 run fine with XP. It is a bit slower on a Vista machine at work but never hangs or crashes. I would probably spend a bit of time going through the settings, particluarly with the cache and thumbs.
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Re: Adobe lightroom 1.2

Do you have much in the LR Library, and do you have XMP sidecar files with all your settings etc?

I've heard of cases of the LR database getting in a mess, so you could just clear it out and rebuild everything - provided your data is in the XMP files.
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Re: Adobe lightroom 1.2

I run LR on an Athlon dual core machine and it opens in around 6 seconds and works perfectly.

I don't think it is a RAM issue as they only specify a minimum of about 750mb (I think). Check out the specs for the minimum requirements of the processor. Can't find the box or I'd look it up.
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Re: Adobe lightroom 1.2

I find this very helpfull you might want to try it, all these applications are FREE, you have nothing to loose :

1.- Go to Eusing Software and install it.

2.- Go to Download CCleaner2.01.507 and install it.

3.- Go to The home of Spybot and install it

4.- Update them all then start CCleaner,check whatever files you want cleaned with it (I have everything checked, its up to you what you want to do here) Then press run cleaner.
After that click on Registry and scan for issues, once you do that close it.

5.- Run Eusing Registry Cleaner, press skip on the pop up window and Scan egistry issue, after that repair registry issue, close that.

6.- Run SpyBot and click check for problems, after it scans review what you want repair and uncheck what you dont.

7.- I defrag my hard drive at least once a week so you might want to do that (I usually leave it defragmenting overnight, your choice.) I also make it a habit to run all my spyware and antivirus at least once a week.

You also might want to download Ad-Aware 2007 its also free.

I'm sure you will notice a difference.

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Re: Adobe lightroom 1.2

Lightroom does a fair few things in the background (such as generating previews, writing settings & iptc info back to files etc.) It can be pretty sluggish after a large import until all that is sorted out.

I had numerous issues with performance on 1.1 similar to those that you described and tried pretty much everything on the support forums with no joy. 1.2 however is running like a dream. The only thing I found that really helped with 1.1 was to create a new catalogue and then import the old one. You loose nothing but it recreates a nice, well organised database and sorts out new previews etc. Might be worth a try.

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Re: Adobe lightroom 1.2

Didn't even know there was a version 1.2 out, I'm still on v.1.1
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Re: Adobe lightroom 1.2

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Didn't even know there was a version 1.2 out, I'm still on v.1.1
yeah, I had a trial version of 1.2 - but got a hold of version 1 - when I installed that I was prompted for a free upgrade to ver 1.2...
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Re: Adobe lightroom 1.2

I have it on both desktop and laptop. Laptop is AMD dual core 2ghz with onboard radion graphics, with 1gb ram and 4gb cache, and running vista. Desktop is Intel 3.4ghz, nvidia 256mb graphics card, 2gb ram, 4gb cache and running vista. There is virtually nothing installed on either computer apart from Autocad Architecture 2008, CS3 and Lightroom 1.2 everything else is run as on a seperate partition as portable apps.

Im finding it is taking a long time to open a file. Which is usually a .tiff file. and if i make some changes it can take a while to complete the operation and sometimes it just says "lightroom has encounted a problem and must close" and then shuts down.

I like using lightroom, i find it useful to make minor adjustments and i think, when working properly, it speeds up the workflow.

Incidentally, i used to run XP and 512mb ram which was horrible.
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Re: Adobe lightroom 1.2

I have just started playing around with 1.1, My processor is only 1.7ghz, 512 Ram, Dont have a problem, runs ok, sounds like something is conflicting with your program,? do you have problems with other software you are using, How much space is on your drive, are you running out, thus slowing your system down, i find its good to format my c: drive every so often, and dump lots of rubbish that computers tend to collect, I had a similiar problem, after re-install everything speeds up, not saying this is your problem, if for ex, you have been running progs like this before, and you have had no problem, then it could be crap that wants dumping, Ccleaner is quite good: File Hippo - Download Free Software good luck, I have just been using lightroom, after 2 weddings, my only fear is my monitor is calibrated ok, i have run a couple of calibration tools, i just hope when i have had to make minor adjustments, that they are correct...
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Re: Adobe lightroom 1.2

memory shouldnt be a problem. By computer is set up so i have 4 partitions. C drive for applications (ADT, CS3, lightroom, NOD32 antivirus ), which has 35gb of free space. I then have a 40gb partition for drawings, 100gb for photos and 30gb for portable apps (open office, xnview, firefox portable etc etc) computer has been formatted recently as did a clean install of vista (X32)

I also use a 4gb flash drive which vista uses as additional cache file space (ready boost)
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Check out the link in the News Forum
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memory shouldnt be a problem. By computer is set up so i have 4 partitions. C drive for applications (ADT, CS3, lightroom, NOD32 antivirus ), which has 35gb of free space. I then have a 40gb partition for drawings, 100gb for photos and 30gb for portable apps (open office, xnview, firefox portable etc etc) computer has been formatted recently as did a clean install of vista (X32)

I also use a 4gb flash drive which vista uses as additional cache file space (ready boost)
I think you're confusing disk space with memory old chap...!
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in what way?
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Re: Adobe lightroom 1.2

HHRC, Vista needs 1GB ram by itself. LR reasonably needs 1GB to run fast. Also, tiff files are usually large and also need a lot of ram to load reasonably fast.

Between the three factors above, there is your problem. You need to run LR on a faster system, especially if you work with tiff's.

You only have 1GB ram on your laptop - this is not enough to run much of anything on top of Vista, I'm afraid. Even with your desktop pc, 2GB is enough to run Vista + LR, but opening large tiff files - particularly libraries-full if you've catalogued these in LR - is asking too much for the ram that you have

PS Re: ram -vs- disk space ... your ram is your memory (virtual space, if you like, to open multiple programmes/files at any one time) whereas disk space is where you permanently store data. Disk space has nothing to do with your problem here - ram is the issue
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Not when the person is talking about memory & disk space though
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HHRC, Vista needs 1GB ram by itself. LR reasonably needs 1GB to run fast. Also, tiff files are usually large and also need a lot of ram to load reasonably fast.

Between the three factors above, there is your problem. You need to run LR on a faster system, especially if you work with tiff's.

You only have 1GB ram on your laptop - this is not enough to run much of anything on top of Vista, I'm afraid. Even with your desktop pc, 2GB is enough to run Vista + LR, but opening large tiff files - particularly libraries-full if you've catalogued these in LR - is asking too much for the ram that you have

PS Re: ram -vs- disk space ... your ram is your memory (virtual space, if you like, to open multiple programmes/files at any one time) whereas disk space is where you permanently store data. Disk space has nothing to do with your problem here - ram is the issue
Vista only needs 256 as a minimum, but like i say, with vista you can use a flash drive to act as RAM cache, im sure if you are aware of that? but basically it uses free space on the flash drive to boost the ram availability. so although the computer has 2gb of physical ram, the flash drive is also caching the files which effectively doubles the speed, which is affectively 4gb virtual ram ontop of the 2gb physical memory.
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Re: Adobe lightroom 1.2

...I suppose but isn't this getting silly?

2GB isn't enough to run Vista and Lightroom and open TIFF files??? Even if the TIFF is 60MB and you give it 3x as overhead, that's less than 200MB. LR runs fine on an old 1GB machine under XP.

Sorry - this isn't another Vista-bashing session, but if we now need 4GB RAM to process photos, is this really progress or are we just using a lot of electricity?
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...I suppose but isn't this getting silly?

2GB isn't enough to run Vista and Lightroom and open TIFF files??? Even if the TIFF is 60MB and you give it 3x as overhead, that's less than 200MB. LR runs fine on an old 1GB machine under XP.

Sorry - this isn't another Vista-bashing session, but if we now need 4GB RAM to process photos, is this really progress or are we just using a lot of electricity?
I dont think vista is the problem. I use ACAD as my main application which never falters under vista and this uses a fair bit of memory. That said there is little to no chance i am upgrading my computer, CS3 never crashes when working in tiff, no matter what the size, so i guess ill have to just put up!

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Vista only needs 256 as a minimum, but like i say, with vista you can use a flash drive to act as RAM cache, im sure if you are aware of that? but basically it uses free space on the flash drive to boost the ram availability. so although the computer has 2gb of physical ram, the flash drive is also caching the files which effectively doubles the speed, which is affectively 4gb virtual ram ontop of the 2gb physical memory.
ReadyBoost is actually an Disk Cache rather than a RAM Cache, it allows Superfetch to preload applications, dlls, swap files etc onto Flash memory so that when you need to access them it doesn't need to read the HD and thus things load more quickly.

It does help to free up some RAM (which would otherwise be storing this cached data) and on low memory PCs it offers a substantially larger Cache than would be possible otherwise. While it is faster than accessing that data from HD it is much slower than real RAM.

The real-life improvement is varied tending to make the biggest difference to machines with less than 1GB of RAM. It certainly made no noticeable difference to my 2GB Laptop when I tried it. (I didn't run any benchmarks but if the machine doesn't feel faster then knowing a benchmark says it is doesn't make any difference).

I've used lightroom on a 1GB system with a couple of thousand images and although it was slower it was still perfectly usable and it certainly didn't crash altogether. I didn't use Tifs though as I prefer RAWs (they need less diskspace). Although when uncompressed for display should have similar memory requirements as TIFS.

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Re: Adobe lightroom 1.2

just to clarify, LR doesnt run slow per se, its more when loading images, and it hangs half way through, giving an out of focus look for about 3-5 seconds before refreshing fully. The only thing i can think is that the images are stored on a different partition to LR, but like i say, other applications dont seem to have the issue.

I dunno, maybe 5 seconds for an image to load isnt unreasonable? maybe im just being fussy?
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Not when the person is talking about memory & disk space though
And what about the swap files?
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Re: Adobe lightroom 1.2

Maybe I have overstated the ram status for some people's requirements silkstone, but I mean to say that LR is a cataloguing prog, in that it doesn't read image files from their original location on disk, but it stores its own copies of complete folders of images in its catalogue, so that when you open LR, depending on how big the folder is that it's opening when it starts up, it can take a long time, the more files it's loading and the bigger the files it's loading (e.g. tiffs will take longer to load than the same no. of jpegs). So, the more ram you have, the better.

I did say to run fast + effectively, not just to run Yes, it'll all run on 2GB ram, but it will get clogged, I believe. A trick, BTW, if your system does seem to get sluggish, is to restart the pc ... the longer a pc is on, the more congested it gets, so a restart freshens things up
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Maybe I have overstated the ram status for some people's requirements silkstone, but I mean to say that LR is a cataloguing prog, in that it doesn't read image files from their original location on disk, but it stores its own copies of complete folders of images in its catalogue, so that when you open LR, depending on how big the folder is that it's opening when it starts up, it can take a long time, the more files it's loading and the bigger the files it's loading (e.g. tiffs will take longer to load than the same no. of jpegs). So, the more ram you have, the better.
Actually Lightroom just reads the files from the disk, it has the ability to copy them to a different location on disk if you want (this is completely optional) but it doesn't store the actual images in any kind of database or "special" format. If using Lightroom to copy the files it would be a bad idea to put them all in the same folder and Lightroom defaults to using a date based hierarchical structure which is often a fairly good way to do it.

It uses a reasonably small database with pointers to the file location and information about tags, develop settings, IPTC data etc. These can also be written directly to some file formats (DNG) and into sidecar files for others (RAW, TIF). 1.1 had some fairly serious performance problems with the automatic writing of these settings but these seem to have been resolved in 1.2 (on my installation at least). This can be disabled if preferred.

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just to clarify, LR doesnt run slow per se, its more when loading images, and it hangs half way through, giving an out of focus look for about 3-5 seconds before refreshing fully. The only thing i can think is that the images are stored on a different partition to LR, but like i say, other applications dont seem to have the issue.

I dunno, maybe 5 seconds for an image to load isnt unreasonable? maybe im just being fussy?
I think 3 to 5 seconds is a bit slow, mine will be that slow if it's still generating previews etc from a large load but usually the "blurred" delay is less than 2 seconds (often substantially less).

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danpen, I stand corrected about the way LR stores files in its catalogue, you are quite right

My main point was about loading files (no matter where they are located) rather than storing them
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Yeah, LR looks like it uses the Bridge-like caching of graphics files data. Think this involves thumbnails and other data - hence the OOF shot (thumbnail) whilst it loads the actual file.

Personally, I hate the "splatter files around" methodology - but I'm sure that on a sufficiently fast system (with space to spare), this is pretty optimal all around!

If the app is crashing out, it probably leaves the temp files lying around (like PS does) and since these can reach the GBs in size, worth manually deleting (from wherever the scratch disk is set up)

As a small aside, I'll mention that I've PS v7 on a laptop which has the impressive total of 192MB memory! It works, albeit relatively slowly. Needless to say it's only used when I really need to turn around files in the field and I've nothing else to hand!
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Re: Adobe lightroom 1.2 - running slow

I am a big Vista Convert. It is much more stable than XP (that I still run on another machine and my laptop) all my hardware works just fine (to be fair my 7 year old TV tuner didn't but I replaced that) as does all my software. It's faster and can see a lot more Ram than XP (64bit). The Mac is just a coffee cup stand now because Vista is so much faster for CS3 and Premier.
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