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Old 09-01-2009, 18:58   #1 (permalink)
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Adobe Photoshop v Paint Shop Pro

Is there any preference to which software package to use for digital editing at all?

Ive tried the Adobe Photoshop CS3, and recently got paint Shop Pro Photox2, but before i start delving in head first to try and become more conversant with either one of them, i thought i might ask the question.

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Old 09-01-2009, 19:57   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Adobe Photoshop v Paint Shop Pro

Try Paint Shop Pro and see if it does what you want. It's about 1/10th the price of Photoshop! It's a while since I've used PSP but I used to be very fond of it until Corel bought out JASC and it went downhill. Provided they've now ironed out the bugs - like hogging the processor - it should be fine.

Two other alternatives to CS3/CS4 are The GIMP which is Open Source (free), and Serif PhotoPlus which is similar in many ways to Paint Shop Pro. Unfortunately both PSP and PhotoPlus are Windows only.
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Old 09-01-2009, 20:38   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Adobe Photoshop v Paint Shop Pro

You could also consider Lightroom. Now version 2.2 is out it does a surprising amount of post RAW editing. It is, after all, an all-in-one i.e. RAW converter, editor, organiser and browser. It's not expensive either.

If you want to get into serious editing then you will need something CS or PSP at some timer.
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Re: Adobe Photoshop v Paint Shop Pro

I don't think comparing CS3 with PSP is a like for like comparison. CS3 is so much more advanced.

Photoshop Elements is a better comparison. FWIW, I've used PSP X, but although I think it has more features than Photoshop Elements, I found that the user interface and dialogues less intuitve than PS, and never really got the best out of it. Biggest problem with it from my point of view is the length of time it takes to render any alterations. PS and Elements are pretty much instant, PSP is not. After a while it really bugged me. Combined with the other issues, it was easy to ditch using it.

The Gimp is very good too, but the user interface is really quirky. I've got this on my laptop, but don't use it often enough to get to grips with it. However it is right up there with t eothers and it is free, so well worth giving it a go.
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Re: Adobe Photoshop v Paint Shop Pro

Most people use about 10-20% of the power of these programs
It all comes down to personal preference (compare it to the Holden / Ford thing )

I personally use PaintShopPro, only becuase Ive been using it for years, know my way around & comfortable with it. I do have Photoshop, use it once in a while.
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Re: Adobe Photoshop v Paint Shop Pro

I know that CS3/4 is very good but it is aimed at graphics artists as much as at photographers, and it's a heck of a lot of money to pay if you don't need all the extra features. PSP, PhotoPlus, The GIMP, etc are really very powerful although sometimes the features are hidden amongst all the 'one click wizard' rubbish. It's perhaps best to find out what you need before rushing out to pay £800 to Adobe.

I've been playing with a trial version of Pixelmator which is like a slightly glossier version of The GIMP, and it seems pretty good for about £40.
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Re: Adobe Photoshop v Paint Shop Pro

I use PS (and even some of the more esoteric controls!) and use PSP (v4, free and no set up required, just run) for quick and frill-free graphic editing like web graphics. I dislike the halfway house nature of some apps, usually RAW processors - wish they'd concentrate on the critical features of conversion (the items that are unique to RAW) and less on the frills.

Which is why I like the Sigma S/W (a RAW convertor, plain and simple, handles fill light and highlights before any other manufacturer knew what they were - after 5 years the other applications have just about caught up)
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Re: Adobe Photoshop v Paint Shop Pro

I also recommend giving Gimp a go. It is very good, even if the interface is different (quirky is asubjective opinion ). There is even a plugin for doing HDR (its called Exposure Blend).The only thing that is not so good is the support for colour depth, but they are working on this. Raw conversion can be done in UFRaw plugin (I haven't tried it in Windows), or the software that comes bundled with your camera. Gimp is free and constantly improving, so its a good option especially for non-professionals.
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Re: Adobe Photoshop v Paint Shop Pro

I'll disagree (very politely ) with Mark here. What puts many people off using RAW is the prospect of two-stage processing - first do the RAW adjustments and save to a humumgously large 16-bit TIFF file. Then use PS or whatever to for second stage processing.

The ideal (for me) is to use a combined RAW processor + image editor that does non-destructive editing and includes *all* the features you'd normally use in the second stage. Lightroom and Bibble 4 come fairly close to that. Bibble 5 promises to come even closer.

For JPEG and TIFF editing I like the GIMP on Linux and Windows, but unfortunately the current version didn't play nicely with the Mac when I tried it. As well as ufraw there's also a dcraw plugin, plus Pandora for panoramas and loads of other goodies if you can figure them out!
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Re: Adobe Photoshop v Paint Shop Pro

Thank you all for your words of wisdom as usual. Ive downloaded 'Bibble Pro' which i have found is fantastic for reviewing RAW files direct from your memory card. I have also got, this weekend, Paint shop pro, so onwards and upwards as they say.
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Re: Adobe Photoshop v Paint Shop Pro

Bibble Pro 4 has been my favourite RAW/image editing software for quite a long time. The GUI is a little odd but it is very powerful, especially when combined with some of Sean Pluckett's plugins which are very cheap (or free).

My goal has been to avoid second-stage processing of RAW files - so the RAW processor needs to include loads of other facilities normally found in TIFF/JPEG image editors.

Very sadly, the launch of Bibble 5 has been (often) delayed to the point where many people have given up waiting, but a public preview is now promised by the end of the month. From the info and videos on the web, it looks as if this will come closer than anything else to an all-in-one solution, but it's too soon to pass judgement.
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I'll disagree (very politely ) with Mark here. What puts many people off using RAW is the prospect of two-stage processing - first do the RAW adjustments and save to a humumgously large 16-bit TIFF file. Then use PS or whatever to for second stage processing.
LOL, Silky! I'd agree that it may put people off having a 2 stage process but I prefer 2 effective apps rather than one that attempts to be all things to all people. I'm sure it'll happen one day (and I use ACR quite a bit when I'm happy for a simple process)
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