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Old 22-09-2007, 23:22   #1 (permalink)
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For or Against Watermarks on photos

I posted 5 pictures in another section and used a watermark on them. Only because I was playing with these pictures and was trying the watermark out on them--something I just learned---I know I'm slow on the learning curve . But then I had to question if it really looks right and should even be done. I understand why people use them and all, but is it really needed and can a photo really be seen for all its worth with that watermark across the center of the photo.

I would think with all the photoshop editing that if someone really wanted the photo they could remove it---or could they?

I'm very interested in peoples thoughts on this subject. As I'm sure others are interested to.


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personally i dont think they do much good in the main, unless you are giving pics to a client to proof then i would do it. but on sites like here the resolution u are uploading them that is small enough that if anyone did want to steal a copy the quality when printed out cos of the low res would be insufficient to produce a good clear fair sized image.

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Old 22-09-2007, 23:54   #3 (permalink)
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Re: For or Against Watermarks on photos

I agree with you on copy quality Fi. I wasn't meaning using them here. I was just wondering if people thought it even necessary because of the low resolution and because they are such a distraction to the photo. I have noticed on some sites just clicking around on the puter that there are alot that do, then again, alot that don't. Just wondering peoples opinions.
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Re: For or Against Watermarks on photos

I do it for pics on my site, but its very feint, I dont for pics for critique on here as I dont think its appropriate. However if its going to be broadcast on the web if someone soemwhere likes it they will copy it, and whos to know just less like they will want a pic with a watermark on it.
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Re: For or Against Watermarks on photos

I try to have at least something on any picture that I care to keep from spreading across the internet for free. In the minimum, you should create a border and have your watermark/copyright info contained within that. Display without the notification shows that it was willfully taken and the user knowingly removed your copyright. That makes it easier to stop unauthorized use.
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Old 23-09-2007, 03:13   #6 (permalink)
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Re: For or Against Watermarks on photos

ChrisRabior how do you know if someone took your picture? And with just putting it on the border can't they just print it out and cut the border off?
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Old 23-09-2007, 10:25   #7 (permalink)
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Re: For or Against Watermarks on photos

If you upload at 72dpi and 800pix or less on the longest side, then the possible print quality of such an image will make it not worth the effort for anyone other than someone who knows nothing about photography. They certainly will be unable to sell your work for their own personal gains.

The worst they could do is copy the shot and repost it as their own elsewhere. If they do that you would have no problems proving original ownership and copyright as you would still have the original full size shot. Having your watermark or borders with your name on each shot is unlikely to help in the latter case.

Just my 2p's worth but I will say that no matter what you do, if someone wants to steal a photo that belongs to you, they will do so regardless of watermark or border. The best method is to keep the files sizes small for stuff displayed on the web and ensure that you keep the original full size shot in case you need to prove ownership.

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Re: For or Against Watermarks on photos

I'm all for open source imaging!

Really, I reckon it isn't worth the hassle to bother about copyright theft. If someone really wants to do it, they will and you'll waste a lot of your life worrying about something you can do nothing about. I've had pictures half-inched by magazines and software code 'appropriated' by large companies that could well afford to pay for it. I've come to the conclussion that it's the sincerest form of flattery and leave it at that.

Anyway, watermarks look so ugly.
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Old 23-09-2007, 16:56   #9 (permalink)
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Re: For or Against Watermarks on photos

I tend to put my name in very transparent and small writing, or even just my initials at the bottom of the shots, but I don't really like putting massive ones across the image, and if I ever do (and I have), then they will be pretty transparent.
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Re: For or Against Watermarks on photos

I see what you mean about it looking better without the watermark.

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The nice thing about modern materials is that watermarks just wash off.
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Old 23-09-2007, 20:54   #13 (permalink)
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Re: For or Against Watermarks on photos

Well I used to not watermark my images until a while back. I operate on other sites that are less trust worthy than this one.

I have had a few images taken and used. If a magazine or newspaper takes and uses your image without your permission and you shoot in Raw, then you can sue them , but normally a letter to the editor pointing this out will get you some sort or payment.

My problem is the Photographers that copy your images onto there web sites, then sell themselves as a professional photographer. This happens quite a lot.

So I now put watermarks into the Metadata and something on the picture if I am posting on the web. Then at least I can highlight that it is mine.

One site I belonged to but never put any model picture on, suddenly one morning went on the site to be fronted by a picture of a model called Claire. He had posted it as Sasha. When checking more of this tog. We found him on 4 other sites and not one of the images he had posted had he taken. It turned out that he does not even own a camera. Just liked posting images of girls. Made him feel important. Turned out he had taken about 6 of mine.

This is mild and there are a lot more examples.

So I say always copywrite your images. No need to put it right across the middle. But put it in the metadata.
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Re: For or Against Watermarks on photos

I'm sorry that some have the wrong impression about my question about watermarking.

I'm not concerned about anyone copying my photos. I'm not that good of a photographer. Heck just started taking pictures in March of this year. And had just learned how to watermarks--really slow person I am, and I posted them on the photo sharing to see what others thought about watermakes. Then I realized I should have posted just one in a question about what people thought in this posting.

Bill too-- I would have liked to have been able to see what you had done. I must have my edit button on off. I thought it was on. I will change that.

hoffy-- I don't know how to get watermarks into a metadata...Maybe you can tell me how to do that. I'm really dumb because I don't even know what a metadata is I'm curious what you did about the guy who took your photos. Maybe you could inform us/me what the other sites are so we/I can stay away from them.

I agree with sejanus that it is a form of flattery, but you have to get really ticked off if that happens.

So this girl became very wise with this posting---Thanks
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I'm all for open source imaging!

Really, I reckon it isn't worth the hassle to bother about copyright theft. If someone really wants to do it, they will and you'll waste a lot of your life worrying about something you can do nothing about. I've had pictures half-inched by magazines and software code 'appropriated' by large companies that could well afford to pay for it. I've come to the conclussion that it's the sincerest form of flattery and leave it at that.

Anyway, watermarks look so ugly.
I agree
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I agree
Actually this statement is wrong, in April a lot of new laws came into affect that gives a lot more rights to the police to take action. But also you have more rights in the cival court.
The big problem with this is finding the people that have taken your images.

But to go back to your point.

If you shoot Raw, then when processing your data through you should have the option to apply water mark data to your images in the metadata. This is not visable but will travel with the image. Yes it can be changed, but I send out a lot of pictures to different people and they use the metadata.

I must admit though that some people on sites like this who put there large watermark right across the image and spoils your enjoyment are mad. This is only done when sending images to clients to get them to come back and buy the originals.
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Sorry quoted the wrong bit.

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It is possible to remove some watermarks. The lower resolution helps of course.



With dogdots permission this time.
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Actually this statement is wrong, in April a lot of new laws came into affect that gives a lot more rights to the police to take action. But also you have more rights in the cival court.
The big problem with this is finding the people that have taken your images.

But to go back to your point.

If you shoot Raw, then when processing your data through you should have the option to apply water mark data to your images in the metadata. This is not visable but will travel with the image. Yes it can be changed, but I send out a lot of pictures to different people and they use the metadata.

I must admit though that some people on sites like this who put there large watermark right across the image and spoils your enjoyment are mad. This is only done when sending images to clients to get them to come back and buy the originals.

I don't think I'm mad for doing something I was just learning how to do and then posting them to get others opinions.

Rob I see how the watermark just comes right off---like I said if photoshop can put it on photoshop can take it off You did a good job. It is a good lesson for those who think a watermark will protect their picture. It doesn't.

Putting the watermark issue aside--which I think it should be . What do you think of the photo?
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the ONLY way you can protect your images is by not putting them up in the internet. I really dont see any other way. watermarks make it a little bit harder but it not the solution we all know that, just make sure you have the original file and if theres anytime you need to do something about copyright infringement, no one can argue if you hold the original.
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I agree with you---if you don't want it taken don't put it on the internet.
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Don't put them on photo's on here, but always on my web site. Just feint, but across the middle, also have right click disabled on them. I know people can still print screen, but less likely to want a shot with my name across it.
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How do you right click disable?
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It's a facility on the web package I've got. I just have to tick a box to enable it.
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It can be done with a small amount of java code that you can add into you website. Although I will add that there is really very little point as the people that want to steal your photos will either print screen and then crop the shot out, or if a tiny bit more technical minded...just retrieve the shots from their internet browser cache.
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Very, true, just makes it a bit harder work.
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So many ways to be deceptive.....what a world
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