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Old 13-10-2006, 22:02   #1 (permalink)
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Any downside to relying on auto WB when shooting RAW ?

I always photograph using RAW & as such I've always thought I don't need to worry about White Balance, as I can correct it when processing the RAW image. Just wanted to double check I am not losing out on anything by not getting the WB correct , even when shooting RAW ?
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Old 13-10-2006, 22:06   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Any downside to relying on auto WB when shooting RAW ?

I think Steve will have the best, more correct answer but I do the same as you. I do find though that it's not very often I have to adjust WB - fortunately
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Old 13-10-2006, 23:19   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Any downside to relying on auto WB when shooting RAW ?

You could use the same argument for exposure. Why not leave it on auto and sort it out in the RAW processing?

I always try to keep the habit of the correct camera setup (although you might find this unbelievable if you've seen any of my pictures) for any given situation. I think it is good practice and then the processing is only tweaks rather than major ajustments.

Although RAW does give you so much more flexibility, it must be better to try to get the picture as close as possible to being correct in the camera.

I've no information on this, just my take on it.
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Old 13-10-2006, 23:42   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Any downside to relying on auto WB when shooting RAW ?

Even though I shoot RAW I am trying to get into the habit of using an Expodisc to get the WB correct in the camera.

This is only my personal choice partly due to my colour blindness.
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Re: Any downside to relying on auto WB when shooting RAW ?

Adjusting the white balance during raw conversion has no detrimental impact on image quality but it's a potential extra step to the process.

It's worth remembering that using a preset white balance on the camera is usually only an approximation of the conditions and using an expodisc or grey card is the best way to get accurate results either in camera or as a reference when converting from raw.

Adjusting the exposure during raw conversion generally does have a detrimental effect on image quality (although there is an argument to suggest that over exposing by up to about 3/4s of a stop in the camera and fixing it during raw conversion can give greater dynamic range so long as the highlights haven't been completely blown).

Real World Camera Raw with Photoshop CS2 by Bruce Fraser has some excellent information on the ins and outs of the raw format and obviously how to process it using ACR.
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Old 14-10-2006, 08:19   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Any downside to relying on auto WB when shooting RAW ?

Dave you need a point and shoot not a D200…off to the corner with you and face the wall!!!

Each of the camera’s presets are a ‘best guess fits most approach’, thus the cameras engineers have had to program the calculations on the most applicable situation and for the majority of shots the results are usually satisfactory. If you start to set your own white balance you would instantly notice a difference in the tones and colour of your results.

Often you will be surprised at how far out the white balance is and accurately adjusting it afterwards for one picture, let alone for every shot to keep the consistency and colours matching is never going to return perfect results.

If you shoot a wedding and there could be 200-300 pictures from the one location in the same light then setting the white balance before the shoot just once (takes 10 secs?) will ensure that you have the best possible colour tones to work from and will save you from having to individually correct each of those shots during post processing.

As dab has said…you should aim for the best possible results from your camera in the first place not see RAW as the main photographers tool.
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Old 14-10-2006, 10:25   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Any downside to relying on auto WB when shooting RAW ?

& that's Dave told I really am one lazy little git

So what method would you advise for getting best White Balance at a location ..the expodisc ?
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Re: Any downside to relying on auto WB when shooting RAW ?

I use expodisc.

I have been told the inside of a coffee lid (if it's white) does a good job
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Old 14-10-2006, 12:19   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Any downside to relying on auto WB when shooting RAW ?

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If you shoot a wedding and there could be 200-300 pictures from the one location in the same light then setting the white balance before the shoot just once (takes 10 secs?) will ensure that you have the best possible colour tones to work from and will save you from having to individually correct each of those shots during post processing.
Playing devils advocate you can replicate RAW setting changes from one image to another at the click of a botton too, but I do agree doing it from word go with the camera is best practise

Also what hasn't been mentioned is the fact that if you wait until the RAW stage, you are reliant on your monitor being properly calibrated. Also, if like me, I'm not always sure my judgement is correct when playing with WB in RAW

Off to buy an expodisc ...
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Re: Any downside to relying on auto WB when shooting RAW ?

If you want to be a cheap skate, grass is a good leveller for white balance or a neutral grey card. The expo disc is obviously far better and much more accurate though.

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Old 14-10-2006, 12:30   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Any downside to relying on auto WB when shooting RAW ?

HOW MUCH !!!!!! I'm not paying that !
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Re: Any downside to relying on auto WB when shooting RAW ?

That reminds me I want to get the flat 4x4 WB filter.
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Re: Any downside to relying on auto WB when shooting RAW ?

Out of interest Steve, when you shot weddings did you use the warm version of the expodisc ?
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Nope, grey card.

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HOW MUCH !!!!!! I'm not paying that !
How about one of these then :-
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I bought one last week, but I have not had a chance to try it out yet.
I was hoping to leave it on the camera all the time, but the lens hood will not fit over it.
I have a motorcycle trial to photograph tomorrow, so may try it out there.

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Re: Any downside to relying on auto WB when shooting RAW ?

Must admit that i never set my WB but rely on post production to correct. But so easy to do with the Sigma S/W.......................... providing there's something that is grey in shot! Takes a second and use that for all the same setup.

Never rely on post production to get the exposure right - potential to lose too much image data, or worse still, get burned highlights. Will admit to a paranoia of burned highlights and avoid at all costs (generally). This does lead to some seemingly underexposed shots (with consequent lower data values) but think it worth it. But do find my eye is distracted by the burned look - unless it's done deliberately, and well!
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. Will admit to a paranoia of burned highlights and avoid at all costs (generally). This does lead to some seemingly underexposed shots (with consequent lower data values) but think it worth it. But do find my eye is distracted by the burned look - unless it's done deliberately, and well!
Even harder when your told to stack your histogram to the right, for most detail
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Re: Any downside to relying on auto WB when shooting RAW ?

I always have a bit of white cloth with me. Takes seconds to photo it and make that the custom white balance setting. If the lighting changes significantly, usually due to weather or sun setting, I take another. If it's a wedding, just shoot the bride first (with a camera, not a shotgun!) up close as 95% of the time, she's wearing white :o)

Expodisc works superbly but have yet to understand the point of paying nearly £60 for one. Anyone want to explain?

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Even harder when your told to stack your histogram to the right, for most detail
But, if vital to max the detail, I'll take 2 shots and composite. As a general rule find that the apparent loss of image data not too disastrous! And rewarded by not having distractingly burned highlights
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Expodisc works superbly but have yet to understand the point of paying nearly £60 for one. Anyone want to explain?
Hi Rob,

As you say the Expodisc works superbly.....there are cheaper alternatives and maybe they work just as well

I think I paid a little more than £60 for a 77mm Expo and my only sacrifice was a couple of nights not drinking and chasing women
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But, if vital to max the detail, I'll take 2 shots and composite. As a general rule find that the apparent loss of image data not too disastrous! And rewarded by not having distractingly burned highlights
Thats a good plan of attack for lanscape and other images where you can use a tripod and the scen doesn't change but for sports, portraits, action etc taking two identical shots is not usually an option
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Re: Any downside to relying on auto WB when shooting RAW ?

Another alterantive to the expo disc is the top of a Pringles tube, the added advantage besides the obvious cost saving is that you can munch your way through a full tube of sour cream and oninon with a legitimate reason
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As you say the Expodisc works superbly.....there are cheaper alternatives and maybe they work just as well

I think I paid a little more than £60 for a 77mm Expo and my only sacrifice was a couple of nights not drinking and chasing women
ROFL P-E, you really shouldn't be chasing such cheap women

The problem with Expodisc is also the filter size factor. I have lenses with 52mm, 58mm, 72mm and 77mm and am sure as heck not about to buy one for each. I know I could hand hold the largest one in front of a smaller lens or use a step down ring but I think I will stick to carrying a bit of white cloth with me. I can also use it if I get a runny.... no, perhaps not <g>

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