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I just purchased my first DSRL camera last week, a Canon 40D and I am a beginner.
Everyone tells me to read the manual and practice taking pictures. In my reading about aperture range settings, do maximum, open, and wide all mean the same thing when I set the aperture to f2.8 and does minimum and narrow refer to setting the aperture to
f32? Any help appreciated.
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Probably - narrow can also refer to a 'narrow depth of field' meaning f/2.8! Confusing, eh?

Personally, I'd recommend sticking it on P (or Auto) and then when you want, or someone suggests, something different you then try that one change
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I just purchased my first DSRL camera last week, a Canon 40D and I am a beginner.
Everyone tells me to read the manual and practice taking pictures. In my reading about aperture range settings, do maximum, open, and wide all mean the same thing when I set the aperture to f2.8 and does minimum and narrow refer to setting the aperture to
f32? Any help appreciated.
Yes to both your questions.

The aperture you use obviously effects the shutter speed that. The small the aperture the slower the shutter speed you need to use to get the correct exposure.

The aperture you use has a huge effect on the depth of field in the final picture. You will come across that as well in the manual and it is something that is very important to understand.

An interesting choice for a first DSLR. There are a lot of functions on it to get you head around. There is a lot to learn and it will take a while. Keep at it and remember everyone here started out knowing nothing about photography.

There is a lot of knowledge here so keep asking questions.
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This is a great book which will clearly explain the relationship between ISO, Aperture and Shutter Speeds to get both the correct exposure and depth of field in a photo. Worthwhile reading and will help you get out of Auto mode quickly, thats when you start to learn about using the camera to it's potential.
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You mention that the Canon 40D is an interesting choice for a first DSLR...
I am interested in doing macro photographs of flowers... I started about a year ago with a FujiFilm 3.1MP P&S camera. This is some of my work with that camera:
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Everyone tells me that I need to upgrade and learn how to use a DSLR to be a "real" photographer. My problem is that I have won several awards and my work is displayed at two local fine art galleries and now I have to spend time learning how to take photographs.
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If you did well with a point and shoot camera then there is no reason why you won't do well with a 40D set to Auto. You are better off because of the lens quality and more sensitive sensor. SO from that base position (no worse off than before remember) you can use the built in versatility of your new camera and increase the versatilty as you learn AND as you add other lenses to help your art.
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Everyone tells me that I need to upgrade and learn how to use a DSLR to be a "real" photographer. My problem is that I have won several awards and my work is displayed at two local fine art galleries and now I have to spend time learning how to take photographs.
What a nice problem to have.

From that link it looks as if you are a very good "real photographer" (whatever that means) already. Now you just need a macro lens to go with the camera. (And then another lens and then another and so it goes on . )
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man, you are gonna confuse the guy... haha
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... do maximum, open, and wide all mean the same thing when I set the aperture to f2.8 and does minimum and narrow refer to setting the aperture to
f32? Any help appreciated.
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The aperture on your camera opens and closes to let more or less light into the lens. Maximum = open = wide (but a small f/number, e.g. f/2.8). Yes, minimum aperture would be the smallest setting on your camera (e.g. f/32). The word "narrow" is not normally used re: size of aperture, but rather we would say a "small" aperture.

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Probably - narrow can also refer to a 'narrow depth of field' meaning f/2.8! Confusing, eh?
Yes confusing + also not quite right! You don't get a "narrow depth of field". You get a "short" depth of field. You do get a "narrow" angle of view (with a long lens). No more confusion
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Yes confusing + also not quite right! You don't get a "narrow depth of field". You get a "short" depth of field. You do get a "narrow" angle of view (with a long lens). No more confusion
I wouldn't use "short" but I might use "shallow"! Anyway, what do I know?

"....with longer focal lengths produce a narrower depth of field than their shorter counterparts, where you want to throw the background out of focus"
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Your no different then so many other's who went the same route,,"except the gallery's" and editing skills that started out with wonderful macro shots using a P&S who later went to SLR as a form of upgrade. I would say enjoy your good fortune, take your time with the new camera, get right to it and buy a macro lens,,,100mm or 180mm and a good try pod. I still use my P&S,,it took 3 years before I bought a real macro lens and it is different than a normal lens because macro needs some attention. I have been haveing fun with home made tri-pods,,,the most useful one is set in highth for my working distance, I just push it in the ground, or at an angle. It has a nice ball on it, the little body is made out of welded aluminumm, I have three and love them. I have been using my macro lens for about 3 weeks and have a big nest of wood ants waiting for me to visit. It is so different from other forms of photography. So enjoy and most of all take your time as I am sure you already know. Like your flowers,,good luck with the lighting,,
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Your no different then so many other's who went the same route,,"except the gallery's" and editing skills that started out with wonderful macro shots using a P&S who later went to SLR as a form of upgrade. I would say enjoy your good fortune, take your time with the new camera, get right to it and buy a macro lens,,,100mm or 180mm and a good try pod. I still use my P&S,,it took 3 years before I bought a real macro lens and it is different than a normal lens because macro needs some attention. I have been haveing fun with home made tri-pods,,,the most useful one is set in highth for my working distance, I just push it in the ground, or at an angle. It has a nice ball on it, the little body is made out of welded aluminumm, I have three and love them. I have been using my macro lens for about 3 weeks and have a big nest of wood ants waiting for me to visit. It is so different from other forms of photography. So enjoy and most of all take your time as I am sure you already know. Like your flowers,,good luck with the lighting,,
Thanks... I just bought a Canon 100mm 2.8 macro lens.... Curious, what do you mean by "good luck with the lighting"... Please don't tell me I'm in for another surprise...
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I wouldn't use "short" but I might use "shallow"!
"Short" or "shallow"

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I didn't say ppl don't say "narrow" DoF, but those who do use it are responsible for creating the confusion If you can explain to me how you figure DoF can be "narrow" in the physical sense, I might change my mind ... although this might be difficult since DoF 'happens' on the z-axis not the x-axis
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It all makes sense if you stand side-on.
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Everybody here has been talking about lighting when they talk about aperture size. Wider aperture "small f/#" will let in more light and camera will shoot faster, reverse the f/# and the camera shoots slower. So lighting and camera speed work with aperture size, it seems more with macro lenses. I just bought the 100mm too, a wonderful lense that autofocus's really well as marco lenses will search when using auto focus. So good pictures generally come from manual focus. It's funny,,everything I know about macro I basically learned from the people who are posting here and I think they are stuck in a narrow rut,, or should I say a shallow one.,, Lighting, macro lighting, side diffussed lighting all help shoot faster with a smaller aperture for more DOF.
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LOL Boofers, but matters which may seem trivial to you are actually the fundamentals which those who are just starting out often find it difficult to grasp, so if we're explaining something for the benefit of any newbies who may be reading the forum, then let's get it right for them, I say

Re: DoF + macro, well yes, the closer the focus, the shorter your maximum DoF gets, because one of the factors which affects DoF is distance of the subject from the camera.

Re: Lighting + macro, well because we often use a small aperture to get max DoF, yes less light is entering the lens. Also, if you think about it, your lens is often so close to the subject, say a flower, that the subject itself is physically blocking out a lot of light, so that the light entering the lens is even less than if you were shooting from further away with a small aperture.
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Of course your right Charlotte, I just started to use the DOF preview button on my camera. The first time it ever seems to make a big difference with the way I use my camera aperture in macro. Paulstan, Did you ever use the aperture mode or manual on your fuji ?
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Boffers... On the FujiFilm A303 3.2MP camera the only setting that I used was "Macro".
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I have the C-5050Z, it was my first digital camera. When switched to macro mode it would automatically set and lock the aperture to f2.0. The camera has a large aperture of f1.8. I am only telling you this that you might take a look at your camera and see if it locked the aperture at a certain f stop. You can try that f stop on your new lens and compare the results to your other pictures and see how close you are to recreating your successful settings.
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I don't know how to tell what the aperture set and lock is on the Fuji A303... How do I know if my Canon 40D is locked to a certain "f" stop? Help of further explaination appreciated...


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On my camera's I have LCD's that show settings., like your 40D. On your Fuji you most likely went to your menu or a button to select macro mode. Most cameras have an info. button or menu setting to show info. When this is selected it will show the settings you are using. Your book should show you the location of your aperture setting aside from the other settings your camera is set to. On your 40D you should be able to set you dial mode to Av and spin your dial on top right side looking at the top LCD display and the number the changes will be your aperture. Point your camera around and push your shutter button down half way and notice that your aperture number never changes until you move the dial. To the right of that another number will change, that is your shutter speed and the camera is automatically exposing your picture. It is called metering, look in the forums under articles and tutorials and you can find more information to follow up as you learn each new aspect of your new camera. Each new phase of photography takes a little study. Take some pictures and post them in photo sharing and ask and receive good advice.

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