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Old 26-07-2007, 11:20   #1 (permalink)
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Hi Everyone, need a bit of enlightenment Im doing a bit of an indoor shoot for my niece and her new born girl and I'd like to be able to link my camera up to my laptop so I can see exactly what results I'm getting in real time, what hardware/software will I need to do this??. Also any advice for the actual shoot would be greatly appreciated, Any real do's or don'ts??, It will take place in her house mid afternoon time, Many thanks.
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If you are using a Canon, download the 15 day trial version of Dslr Remote Pro, from Breeze Systems.
Easy to use and not to expensive @ $90 if you do decide to buy.

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Old 26-07-2007, 15:53   #3 (permalink)
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Just took some shots of my new grandson, crew member Dave gave me some pointer's which I ended up useing, I went after the hands and fingers of the 3 week old and managed to get a little bit of a smile with it. I sat under a high lamp with my nifty fifty and shot from the side as my daughter held him up with her hands, he could hardly hold his head up, but once the hands were in front of him with her hand holding his elbows he looked real natural, I shot raw and did some white balance, but over all those were the best shots, and that is right after his dinner.
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Old 27-07-2007, 08:03   #4 (permalink)
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Thanks for the info Sgotwr, this is just what I'm looking for but Ive got a Nikon, at least I now know that if Canon have something then Nikon must have something.
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If you want a good close-up of the face, ask your niece to place the baby on her shoulder (the Burp position) and shoot from behind your niece looking at baby's face. By arranging the baby you can obtain a really natural 'tilted head' view. Since this is a position babies learn quickly and the Mum has total support of baby the baby is usually very relaxed. Little pinkie hands can be placed on shoulder as desired.

Make sure Mum is wearing something conducive as a base, i.e. plain pink woolly jumper looks good as it is soft and delicate or fabric draped over shoulder (expect vomit!).

Natural window light is good (if direct Sun use as back-light and bounce fill from white card onto baby).

Use at least a medium telephoto (100mm or over) for natural features.

Variation of this pose is for Mum to look at/kiss baby (awkward for Mum but can produce lovely combo of interaction between the two). Hide Mum neck creases with Mum's hair. This pose of both works great with back-lighting creating halo on baby and good modeling on side-face pose of Mum.

For more control using the 'burp' position, place baby on one persons shoulder and have Mum interact with baby. Gives more freedom for poses.

Again, make sure you dress the people in sympathetic clothing for the shots.

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Old 27-07-2007, 17:52   #6 (permalink)
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Thanks Les, very informative, I will post some shots when done
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Try Nikon Imaging | Nikon Capture 4 (Version 4.4.0 for Trial)

"Remote camera control, a function also incorporated in Nikon Capture 4 software to remotely control the popular D70 and other Nikon digital SLR models, has earned wide acclaim among professionals for its advanced and convenient remote control operation". Seems you can control Camera from PC, so expect to be able to see the shots there to ?? Anyone else able to advise ?
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Or this sounds even better :- Camera Control Pro 1.0 Trial Version - Windows
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Here is the shot I ended up liking because he is by himself almost, he is held up with my daughters hand with her arm resting on the chair arm. The lamp is about4 feet away up above him and gives a gleam in his eyes. He wouldn't sleep and it was late, I grabbed my wifes 50mm f1.2. We have alot of him sleeping. I planned ahead, but now it seems like I missed a lot of different shots and he's in the southern states. Good luck.
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That is a great shot.
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Old 04-08-2007, 13:27   #11 (permalink)
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Thanks Dave for the heads up on Camera Control Pro its exactly what I'm looking for, I downloaded it and gave it a whirl, its a great program and easy to use as well. Thanks to everyone for their input
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Old 12-08-2007, 21:14   #12 (permalink)
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Finally got round to doing the shoot, this is one of my favourites c & c welcome


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That is a really nice shot Raymo

the compositon, pose, expression on mum's face and soft light I really like, but just a couple of things I'd consider.

1 The picture on the LHS is not straight.
2 The dark shape on the RHS behind them is a bit distracting.
3 I think although the soft lighting is good, maybe a tiny bit more contrast would lift the picture.

With a plain BG this would be a belter, but as it is it is still a great shot. Well done.
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Old 12-08-2007, 21:27   #14 (permalink)
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A lovely tender shot, I like it

The picture on the wall behind is a bit distracting for me, + I'd be tempted to clone it out, so there's nowhere for my eyes to fall except on the subject.

I love the baby's wink Pity her mouth is partly covered, but that's not a train smash.

I like the composition + processing. Would like to see colour version as well?

Focusing, DoF, lighting + exposure are all very good, + I like the overall softness of the image. All in all, very well done
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Old 12-08-2007, 22:39   #15 (permalink)
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Thanks for the comments, much appreciated not to much of a whiz on Photshop & dont really know how to cover things up etc but still learning, anyway here's the colour version.

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Good colour in this, with lovely warm skin tones, which adds to the warmth of the subject matter, i.e. a young mum with her tiny baby. For this reason, I think I like the colour version slightly better, but both are very good

Re: editing (cloning etc.), you will only learn by doing, so why not give it a try with this one Remember to work on a copy, whilst preserving the original.
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I've got to agree with Charlotte here {choke, choke..} - only jesting Charlotte! The colour one does edge it as the subject does benefit from the warmth as Charlotte has said. No mono can compete on this level, no matter how well it has been converted, and your one is really good.

Charlotte is also quite right in saying that until you start practicing you will never be able to make the subtle ajustments that can turn a good photo into a stunner. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I notice that you do not allow others to edit your images, and that is fine, but if you allowed others to see if they can improve it and then tell you how they did it, you will be able to see what can be done.
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To reinforce what Graham just said, it might help you to get started when I tell you that I was in the same boat as you not so long ago, Raymo ... I've only been doing image editing for about six months. Like you, I didn't know where to begin. I started off slowly, + now I'm quite confident with most common tasks. I'd suggest starting slowly + with small edits which you might want to do frequently, like cloning. Your exposure + colour look very good in the shot you've posted here ... did you edit it? If so, you're fine in that area. Time spent on learning to do the basic edits you will need often is time well spent
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Fine picture, I bet the baby is already bigger and your better off because of your interest and effort, you know the old saying, "I wish I woulda" . You have a very fine shot of Mom and the Baby,,good job
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Graham I noticed you mention about not wanting others to edit my images , is there somewhere on the site that indicates this?? if so can you tell me where it is so I can alter it because I have no probs with anyone pointing me in the right direction once again thanks for all the pointers/comments
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Raymo, in User CP > Edit Profile (in Control Panel on the LHS), scroll down for the option 'Image Editiding' + tick the box
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What a gorgeous shot I'm a new auntie myself and have just spent the weekend at my brothers with their new arrival (4 days old).

I took pictures for them and i really hope they turn out well, i'm no expert but here's hoping!! Difficult to photo, but should have some good shots of the post feed drunk baby look

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Such a beautiful shot. My sister asked me to do a portrait of her little girl (she was a year old then) last Christmas and it was a nightmare, for some reason the child frowns & cries everytime I'm around! My sister is due to have another baby in October & I'm dreading her asking again. But you got a cracker of a shot there.
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yeah I agree Rivan, quite difficult to capture, there was a lot of average photo's in my bunch with baby frowning and crying, but hey its a steep learning curve but well worth it in the end, my niece is chuffed to bits with all of them

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Thanks Charlotte for the edit profile info
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Terribly bad of me I know (what does it say about my psychology?) but every time I see the title of this thread I imagine clay pigeon shooting but with babies.

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Raymo - now you have granted permision for editing, I've tried putting my money where my mouth is! I find it difficult to work on low-res images, and I think it should come out better on the original. OK - excuses over:



crop>dup layer>clone picture from RHS with soft brush - 100% opacity then 60%. dup layer>enlarge RHS>clone from light area - trickey! - 100% - 25%. Flatten image>cup layer>levels - draw in highlight slider to meet histogram>enlarge RHS and tidy up cloning. Flatten image>select all (ctrl+A)>edit>stroke>10pxl black inside. Done.

No sharpening as I think this subject suits slight softness.
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Just a crop>dup layer>levels>set black and white points>flatten>stroke 5 pxl white>extend canvas 5 pxls black.

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Top marks Graham, I see what you mean about a good shot into a great shot, the adjustments you made are a big improvenment I think I need to get into some studying and learn this editing game, I dont even know the correct way how to make my images smaller and retain the quality
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Well I have not been doing editing for very long, Raymo - and if I can make a fist of it, anyone can. You just have to start slowly and do one thing at a time, then you can start to combine things, and you are away. Bit like riding a bike.

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