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Old 09-11-2008, 20:18   #1 (permalink)
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I know this is a personal thing but what does everyone think about borders on photos shared on the web?

I quite like them and have often been asked how I do the drop shadow border (when I used to do it)......I have also been told the border ruins it or it's to wide etc .

When I submit shots to a sports club the first thing they say is 'without the border please'.

I know it's all subjective but wondered what everyones thoughts were/are?
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Old 09-11-2008, 20:24   #2 (permalink)
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Just a thin one to seperate it from the background page - I think they rarely enhance an image but think some sure as hell ruin one!
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Old 09-11-2008, 20:27   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Borders

Yes I've seen some awful borders but obviously the person that posted the image liked it

I was also thinking does a border suit one type of shot better than another.......landscape, portrait etc?
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For anything potentially commercially related , then no borders
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Old 09-11-2008, 20:51   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Borders

I think it all depends on the photo, some look better with a border some not, personal preference innit.
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Old 09-11-2008, 21:00   #6 (permalink)
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For anything potentially commercially related , then no borders
I think that nails it. I think any commercial use will be all about the image - not the drop shadow or multiple colour keyed borders.

Different for display / hanging on the wall.
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Re: Borders

I don't know about the above mentioned. But I do like borders, as long as they are not to over the top. The way you've done them in the past, is exactly the way I like them. But i've seen some horrible ones as well.

Maybe with sports no, but landscape or portrait definitely like it.
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I'm all for borders, simple, white or black.
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Re: Borders

When a picture is presented on the internet I like to see a simple border/frame, especially when the picture is likely to be viewed on different backgrounds. On Pixalo people use different 'themes' so some see a picture on a light blue background whereas others see it on a black or red background and so the frame can help to isolate the image slightly.

For all commercial purposes frames and borders are not only not required, they will usually reject them unless they can crop the picture easily. After all, they want to put the picture in a magazine, a leaflet, a poster, on the wall, whatever so how can we know what frame would be appropriate?

The thing that I must admit I can't stand though is when people show a picture for Critique and people go on and on about the frame instead of the picture itself. Obviously if the frame is more than a simple border line and thicker line frame, for example they have used a patterned erase or something, then that might warrant attention but when people just look at a picture and say 'the border is too thick' without even commenting on the main picture itself, that does irritate me.

As has been said, the frame is a personal taste thing, but as long as people focus on the main picture first and foremost then that is fine. For me, a simple frame is very attractive when done well. I would never dismiss a picture simply because the frame is not to my liking.

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I don't like borders, but for web use I like a drop shadow.
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Old 10-11-2008, 13:34   #11 (permalink)
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Any examples of what people perceive to be good/bad borders?
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The thing that I must admit I can't stand though is when people show a picture for Critique and people go on and on about the frame instead of the picture itself. Obviously if the frame is more than a simple border line and thicker line frame, for example they have used a patterned erase or something, then that might warrant attention but when people just look at a picture and say 'the border is too thick' without even commenting on the main picture itself, that does irritate me.
Well, if that's all that strikes me about the image then that's all I'd say (tho' think I've yet to be guilty of that!)

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Any examples of what people perceive to be good/bad borders?
As a generalisation, if you specifically notice the border I'd say that wasn't so good!
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Dont mind, depends if the image suits it or not P-E.
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Don't really like them at all, except maybe a thin white/black border to separate from a background page if it is a similar colour. My website puts them on and I use one that is about 2 pixels wide just to creat the separation. But never use them on prints as I mount them.
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Old 10-11-2008, 20:00   #15 (permalink)
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Just simple black (not terribly often white, but sometimes) does it for me. Don't really like those 'same as image' colour ones much, and huge detailed ones seem to me to be compensating for something else!!!
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Whatever suits the personal taste goes. Suits some images and not others. I tend to like them provided they compliment (IMHO) the image.
Being a bit cynical I seem to recall when you had to put photographic paper in a printing frame and you got white borders whether you liked it or not, that was the "right" way. Then when they started printing from rolls with machines border-less prints became the "right" way.
With regard to mounted prints doesn't the mount itself become the border?
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[quote=Markulous;237950]Well, if that's all that strikes me about the image then that's all I'd say (tho' think I've yet to be guilty of that!)

Knowing your helpful feedback Mark, I don't think you ever would. At least you would say 'Well, I like the picture but not sure about that frame' so that the poster understood that the picture itself was good.

Do people like these 'artistic' erasures that are sometimes used? I occasionally see one I like but more often find them distracting. Only a matter of taste of course, just interesting to see what people think of those. I am talking about using a fancy brush as the eraser and removing the edge of the picture in a fancy way.

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Don't like real big ones for the web,,but I like a little something just to draw the eye into the picture.
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I don't mind a thin black border for those pic's where you want to direct the eye into the picture, or a thin white border to draw the eye outward - some landscape shots suit this, to encourage you to wonder or imagine what's beyond the frame. Don't mind a drop shadow sometimes. "Same colour" frames are so often NOT the same colour (on my monitor anyway) that for me they become nothing but a distraction which one might comment on instead of the image if indeed it is more notable than the image itself, which is quite likely if it is a bold border. Some borders do actually ruin a shot, especially if you use the same border for every picture, because not every picture will suit a particular border. The thing about personal taste is that we all have a different one, so that if you show a picture on the web with a border then some will (maybe) like it but others will surely not. Images for Sharing or Critique are best shown without a border, unless you're specifically after comments about the border. All IMHO of course
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