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Old 29-11-2007, 02:54   #1 (permalink)
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Bracketing ... need help please!

I am going to give a try at bracketing.
Now, reading the user manual, it has two sections:
1. Auto bracket
2. Extended bracketing

What I want, for results, are three shots of the very same image at different exposures, say: -2 0 +2, or thereabouts.
Then I could decide what to do with the recorded images ... use HDR, keep one or two or all three pics, etc ...

The manual, I find, is very unfriendly (but that could be me) and I'd appreciate if someone could guide me trhough this. Lots of confusion about how to set it up and also whether to use the the first, the second or both methods.

Thank you for any guidance.

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Old 29-11-2007, 07:04   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Braketing ... need help please!

Just press the Button that says BKT and move the dials to adjust Whatever exposure you want. (thats on Nikon, Canon should be similar)
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Old 29-11-2007, 07:29   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Braketing ... need help please!

From the manual, my thinking is to choose 1. Auto Bracketing as it does exactly what you're after: set the number of frames (0, 3 or 5) and the step interval

2. Extended Bracketing allows you to extend the bracketting to alter the WB, sharpness, saturation and/or contrast as well as number frames and step interval
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Re: Braketing ... need help please!

Most cameras won't automatically let the step interval be 2 stops. Either shoot 5 at one stop and ignore 2 or do it manually. Also for HDR ensure your camera is set to BKT using shutter speeds not aperture or ISO.
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Re: Braketing ... need help please!

5 step auto bracketing sounds quite handy. I usually shoot on full manual with 3 shots at +/- 2 stops for HDR stuff. For HDR merging I've personally found it nicer to underexpose the 'starting' shot by 1 or 2rds of a stop.
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Re: Braketing ... need help please!

I can get 5 shots when set to jpeg, when useing raw I underexpose by a 1/3 or 1/2 on compansation and then bracket 3 shots set at +1, and 3 shots set at -1, that gives me 6 shots at different shutter speeds, giving a nice even looking histogram for hdr use. Seems to work real good but have only taken 2 different sets for hdr in 3 months. I use a 20D, the back spin wheel makes it real easy and fast to do, no push buttons. Come to think of it,,I really need someone to tell me if there is an easier way,,?
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Old 29-11-2007, 18:18   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Braketing ... need help please!

To all of you "above" who answered back:
Thank you for the input

I tried the Auto Bracket method and it shoots three continuous/different frames, in succession, with the desired exposure brackets. That part works fine, thank you!
It does, however, require that you hold the camera steady, in order to have the same exact image at each frame, doesn't it? Or use a tripod?

What I was trying to do was to get the same results but with the camera itself saving "one shot as three differently exposed images", much like the extended bracketing mode allows. I.e.: point, shoot once, and the camera renders three images at different exposures. But that seems to work only with White balance, saturation, sharpness and contrast.

Anyone here familiar with the K10D or Sigma ... Markulous??
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Re: Braketing ... need help please!

You could try setting the camera to autobracket and continuous shooting. If you use jpegs you ought to be able to get in three frames in a second, although I don't know the frame rate of the Pentax.
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Old 29-11-2007, 20:54   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Braketing ... need help please!

Good idea!
I'ill try that ... K10D can do 3/sec.
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Re: Braketing ... need help please!

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Anyone here familiar with the K10D or Sigma ... Markulous??
I know the Sigma SD10 (simple 3 x shots) and the K10D (only 'cos I peeked at the manual!) which suggests that you can Auto Bracket 3 shots like you're after (set it to single shot?)
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......It does, however, require that you hold the camera steady, in order to have the same exact image at each frame, doesn't it? Or use a tripod?.......
I've personally not had any sucess handholding 'hdr' shots. A monopod should do the trick if you don't want to lug a tripod around.
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Re: Braketing ... need help please!

It's worked OK for me handholding for HDRs, but works best when you combine continuous shooting with autobracket and use an IS lens (or ultrawide). I got these shots that way:

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Re: Braketing ... need help please!

love those shots . judging from those shots i'd say you have been doing HDR for a long time...
Good Work
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Re: Braketing ... need help please!

Cheers sotelo, much appreciated! I've been doing HDRs occasionally for about 18 months.
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Re: Braketing ... need help please!

So, I assume you simply did not HDR as "default" ?
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Re: Bracketing ... need help please!

Not sure that I understand the question, but I pretty much followed the method as per the tutorial I wrote for the tutorials section on Pixalo. The three shots above were all taken handheld, 3 shots, autobracketed at -2, 0, +2 with continuous shooting mode.
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Re: Bracketing ... need help please!

Alright! This is exactly what I have done, and followed the tutorial.
What I meant was, do you just use "default" settings in Photoshop when you do the "Automate" > "Merge to HDR"? Or did you have to tweak it beyond the default values?

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Re: Bracketing ... need help please!

I used Photomatix for all of the pics above. It copes much better with having only 3 bracketed shots. The Photoshop facility works well but only if you supply several images - e.g. -3, -2, -1, 0, +1, +2, +3EV. Also, Photomatix includes the 'align before merging' feature which helps with handheld efforts...
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Photoshop when you do the "Automate" > "Merge to HDR"?
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Much appreciated, thank you!
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Gotcha!
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I'll be busy trying this tomorrow, weather permitting!
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