Pixalo Photography Community

Go Back   Pixalo Photography Community > Photography Forums > General photography questions and answers

General photography questions and answers: Discuss Colour . ....This might sound like a silly question, would be great if someone could give me a bit of insight. My ...
Welcome to the Pixalo Photography Community. As a Guest you are free to browse the site, but see what extras you get as a Member here.


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 14-07-2011, 18:36   #1 (permalink)
New here
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Ludlow..wish it was always sunnny here.
Posts: 16
hotdog is on a distinguished roadhotdog is on a distinguished road

Image editing O.K.
User's Gallery
Colour . .

This might sound like a silly question, would be great if someone could give me a bit of insight.

My question is, Are most photos 'photo-shopped' (tweeked) to make the colours look more vibrant and give tones more depth ??

If no, how can i start to make the colours in my pictures 'Pop'.

Cheers All

Thanks
hotdog is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 14-07-2011, 18:50   #2 (permalink)
Pixalo Crew
 
dabhand16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Dunstable Bedfordshire UK
Posts: 30,257
dabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of light
dabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of light

Image editing O.K.
User's Gallery
Users Camera Equipment List
Re: Colour . .

This depends on some variables. If you shoot in jpg, you can select sharpening, contrast, colour hue, and a few other things on your camera and change the settings up and down. This will then apply these settings to every image that you take.

If you have a photo editing program you can also change/adjust sharpening, colour hue, contrast and a host of other things, but you can apply these changes to individual images or batches of selected images.

Best control of all is to shoot in RAW and you can change even more elements such as white balance and exposure at the expence of having a more involved work flow.

I'd say that it also depends on the photographer. Some hardly use any post processing where others will do a basic levels, curves, saturation and sharpening and some will do a lot of work with all of the above and more.

Before you change any settings, make sure you are comparing like with like as lighting has a big influence on how the final picture looks, so for instance a picture taken at mid day with the Sun (if available!) behind you will often look flat where the same shot in the morning or afternoon will look very different.
__________________
Graham
dabhand16 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 14-07-2011, 20:21   #3 (permalink)
Forum Regular
 
Dave Canon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Cheltenham
Posts: 1,288
Dave Canon is just really nice
Dave Canon is just really niceDave Canon is just really niceDave Canon is just really niceDave Canon is just really niceDave Canon is just really niceDave Canon is just really niceDave Canon is just really niceDave Canon is just really niceDave Canon is just really nice
User's Gallery
Users Camera Equipment List
Re: Colour . .

It is important to have a clear idea about what your final photograph should look like so that any editing is to achieve that and not just for the sake of it.

I enter competitions so need to edit to improve my images. Some of the changes may be very slight but others substantial. I used to "edit" images in the darkroom many years ago and the principles are similar but the possibilities are now huge.

With regard to your specific question, it not possible to know what most photographers do but I would expect almost all competition photographers to at least make tonal adjustments to most of their images. However, I do not think that it is necessary to increase the saturation for most images. Some camera settings for JPEG users do increase saturation as Graham suggests. I use only Raw myself so I decide all of the changes needed. Very occassionally I find a shot that does not need any tonal or colour editing and may only require a little sharpening.
__________________
Regards Dave

http://www.image001.co.uk
Dave Canon is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 14-07-2011, 21:34   #4 (permalink)
Growing roots
 
jake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: yorkshire
Posts: 8,971
jake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura about

Image editing O.K.
User's Gallery
Users Camera Equipment List
Re: Colour . .

I find, as a general rule, its the more expensive lenses that I don't have to alter my saturation on.
jake is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 15-07-2011, 13:29   #5 (permalink)
Loves the place
 
Boofers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: 40 miles south of St. Louis
Posts: 6,668
Boofers is a jewel in the roughBoofers is a jewel in the roughBoofers is a jewel in the roughBoofers is a jewel in the roughBoofers is a jewel in the roughBoofers is a jewel in the roughBoofers is a jewel in the roughBoofers is a jewel in the roughBoofers is a jewel in the roughBoofers is a jewel in the roughBoofers is a jewel in the roughBoofers is a jewel in the rough

Image editing O.K.
User's Gallery
Users Camera Equipment List
Re: Colour . .

Sounds like a can of worms. The old term, "Take um' right the first time" and you wouldn't need to PS them. I personally restored scanned flim and old pictures for ink and paper in the early learning days of digital cameras. That only means that I used the computer for PS and other types of media before photos. So I am ruined for ever, I know people who do great work with just the settings on their camera, but if I see them I will find one that has some color cast to it or a contrast problem. It's really all about what you feel good about when you your self look at a picture because sooner are later if you love photography you'll want the pictures to capture your artistic happyness,, .. I shoot for sharpness, then look at the contrast and or color cast. My color values are usally on the low side because I have each camera set to a default list of adjustments for my camera. Lenses play some part in it and the best lenses will give good color, I think because of the clear pictures you can capture with them. Don't worry about color because it is just one part of the whole picture.
Boofers is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 15-07-2011, 15:02   #6 (permalink)
New here
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Ludlow..wish it was always sunnny here.
Posts: 16
hotdog is on a distinguished roadhotdog is on a distinguished road

Image editing O.K.
User's Gallery
Re: Colour . .



thanks guys/gals..nice read.
hotdog is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 15-07-2011, 19:53   #7 (permalink)
Feet under the table
 
Des Gardner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: West Midlands
Posts: 1,652
Des Gardner will become famous soon enoughDes Gardner will become famous soon enoughDes Gardner will become famous soon enoughDes Gardner will become famous soon enoughDes Gardner will become famous soon enoughDes Gardner will become famous soon enoughDes Gardner will become famous soon enough

Image editing O.K.
User's Gallery
Re: Colour . .

Well somebody got it right..........get it right first time in the camera! unfortunately we all see colours differently..........some pictures need a tweek in p/s some dont..........some need plenty of sharpening whilst some dont...........better lenses can improove but not allways...........photography can sometimes be a mystery........ some blue skys come out perfect sometimes they dont..........but its all good fun at the end of the day.
Des Gardner is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 18-07-2011, 11:19   #8 (permalink)
Forum Regular
 
Dave Canon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Cheltenham
Posts: 1,288
Dave Canon is just really nice
Dave Canon is just really niceDave Canon is just really niceDave Canon is just really niceDave Canon is just really niceDave Canon is just really niceDave Canon is just really niceDave Canon is just really niceDave Canon is just really niceDave Canon is just really nice
User's Gallery
Users Camera Equipment List
Re: Colour . .

The problem with "getting it right in the camera" pre-supposes that I would be happy with the limitations of camera capture or that I just want a camera record the scene however good or poor. Of course I could help the camera do a better job by ensuring precision lighting on highlights, mid-tones and shadows. This could ensure that I capture details in the highlights and shadows with reasonably mid-tone contrast and that the total dynamic range of the scene is with the the range of the camera and media. There is one place I can just about achieve this and that is a studio lighting set-up and not surprisingly most studio shots do not need tonal adjustments (or I had the lighting wrong). However, most of my photogrpahy is with natural light inside and outside and I do not control this so have to make the best of this. My key aim is to capture the dynamic range I need and avoid burning out highlights. I cannot control the detailed tonal contrast in each part of the image so the choices are a. accept what you have captured as the camera has done its best or b. edit the image (preferably a Raw file) to globally or locally alter the tonal range/contrast to match what I envisaged.

I think that only a few photographers need precision colour (e.g. product and fashion photographers). However, I have calibrated my camera and use bespoke colour conversion profiles for my Raw files. Although this is probably not strictly necessary for my photography, it is one issue that I no longer need to be concerned with.
Dave Canon is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 24-07-2011, 10:39   #9 (permalink)
Forum Regular
 
Silver Dragon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Manchester area, UK
Posts: 738
Silver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura about

Image edit - ASK
User's Gallery
Users Camera Equipment List
Re: Colour . .

Get it right in the camera may be fine if the scene you have is Right.
And I can see the argument from that side.....
However....
I have taken many shots that I just know will look better edited.
My camera doesnt do black and white....
If I see a shot that would look good in black and white, should I NOT take it, or should I take it in colour and edit it later..........

That argument will never be resolved.
(And no, I dont have the cash to buy a "better camera"...)

Therefore, for me, Get it as "Right" as you can... then edit you little heart out.
__________________
Trying not to drive faster than my guardian angel flies......
Silver Dragon is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 24-07-2011, 11:07   #10 (permalink)
Growing roots
 
jake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: yorkshire
Posts: 8,971
jake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura aboutjake has a spectacular aura about

Image editing O.K.
User's Gallery
Users Camera Equipment List
Re: Colour . .

The problem is what is right? My right may not be anothers right, it is a mistake to think the brain is a camera - it's not. Would you want a red cast on the face of a person in morning and evening or a blue cast in mid day light? - that would be right. Since the very start of photography images have been manipulated it's certainly nothing new - if done well you never realise.
jake is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 24-07-2011, 12:29   #11 (permalink)
Pixalo Crew
 
dabhand16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Dunstable Bedfordshire UK
Posts: 30,257
dabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of light
dabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of light

Image editing O.K.
User's Gallery
Users Camera Equipment List
Re: Colour . .

Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Dragon View Post
should I take it in colour and edit it later..........
Always! Taking pictures with in-camera B&W processing will give inferior results due to the amount of information lost in the file.
dabhand16 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 25-07-2011, 10:21   #12 (permalink)
Forum Regular
 
Silver Dragon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Manchester area, UK
Posts: 738
Silver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura about

Image edit - ASK
User's Gallery
Users Camera Equipment List
Re: Colour . .

Quote:
Always! Taking pictures with in-camera B&W processing will give inferior results due to the amount of information lost in the file.
.... You learn something new every day......
Many thanks Graham, that I did not know.....

Just for information, so, even the camera's that are "I wish I had that one" that DO do B&W, you would suggest taking in colour and going for the conversion afterwards?....

I have been doing a lot of experimentation with Sepia recently, after my success with the train controls photo, and I have been using a filter over the viewfinder to give me a sort of clue what the eventual photo would look like...(OK, so its a cellophane sweetie wrapper, but if it works?...)

Now I believe you can get a filter to go over the lens.
Conversion to B&W "In Camera", I suspect is a software thing that just "looses" the colour pixels, but the lens filter?... am I wasting money here when I have a perfectly good conversion tool in Photoplus?...

If this is considered topic drift, I am happy to start a new thread on this, but there are other questions I may have about certain effects I can ONLY get in Editing... I dont see it as cheating personally....
Silver Dragon is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 25-07-2011, 11:10   #13 (permalink)
Pixalo Crew
 
dabhand16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Dunstable Bedfordshire UK
Posts: 30,257
dabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of light
dabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of light

Image editing O.K.
User's Gallery
Users Camera Equipment List
Re: Colour . .

Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Dragon View Post

Just for information, so, even the camera's that are "I wish I had that one" that DO do B&W, you would suggest taking in colour and going for the conversion afterwards?....
Yes. I think that you will always get a better image by converting a colour image in post processing. Why? Well, a colour picture is made up of millions of colours. A black and white image can only have 245 tones. So by recording the maximum amount of information in colour and then converting you can get much better graduations between tones, for instance.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Dragon View Post
I have been doing a lot of experimentation with Sepia recently, after my success with the train controls photo, and I have been using a filter over the viewfinder to give me a sort of clue what the eventual photo would look like...(OK, so its a cellophane sweetie wrapper, but if it works?...)

Now I believe you can get a filter to go over the lens.
Conversion to B&W "In Camera", I suspect is a software thing that just "looses" the colour pixels, but the lens filter?... am I wasting money here when I have a perfectly good conversion tool in Photoplus?...

If this is considered topic drift, I am happy to start a new thread on this, but there are other questions I may have about certain effects I can ONLY get in Editing... I dont see it as cheating personally....
Again, I think that post processing will not only give a better result, but you also have the option of not applying an effect as you might prefer the natural image to the tinted one. If you record it tinted, you are stuck with it, and will not be able to undo it later. Same as all of the built-in effects filters that some makers seem to think are a good idea. FWIW, if you use a tinted filter over your lens, the camera will try to correct it, so you will have to at least use custom white balance, and I'm not even sure that this will actually give you the result you are looking for. Post processing will give you total control.
dabhand16 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 26-07-2011, 10:09   #14 (permalink)
Forum Regular
 
Silver Dragon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Manchester area, UK
Posts: 738
Silver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura aboutSilver Dragon has a spectacular aura about

Image edit - ASK
User's Gallery
Users Camera Equipment List
Re: Colour . .



...And that is why I come here...........

When you think it through logically, I can see every point you make there Graham...
But sometimes you need someone to point these things out........?

The only filter I use regularly at this time has been my polarising filter, as it allows me good shots of pond life.
I think I may just keep it that way...
Silver Dragon is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 26-07-2011, 10:48   #15 (permalink)
Pixalo Crew
 
dabhand16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Dunstable Bedfordshire UK
Posts: 30,257
dabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of light
dabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of lightdabhand16 is a glorious beacon of light

Image editing O.K.
User's Gallery
Users Camera Equipment List
Re: Colour . .

Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Dragon View Post
The only filter I use regularly at this time has been my polarising filter, as it allows me good shots of pond life.
I think I may just keep it that way...
Agree with that One
dabhand16 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
colour ' B&W bain Photo Critique 7 28-07-2008 02:29
How do I add colour to a B&W pic? Wannabe Photo Manipulation 4 28-03-2008 03:38
Mainly colour fionaB Photos for fun 10 07-06-2007 03:01
Colour Confidence release EZcolor colour management Pixalo News 0 12-02-2007 18:40
From colour to B&W daveyuk Photos for fun 2 22-03-2006 11:32


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:49.


vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
ReviewPost & PhotoPost vB3 Enhanced, Copyright 2003-2014 All Enthusiast, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.3.0
Copyright 2006 - 2017 Pixalo.com

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197