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Old 13-07-2011, 19:08   #1 (permalink)
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I have a school photograph which was taken 60 years ago. I have been asked to put it on exhibition in a shop purely for interest sake. It is possible that I will be asked to reproduce it for interested parties. If I do, would I be infringing copyright.
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Old 13-07-2011, 20:16   #2 (permalink)
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I've got a feeling that copyright 'only' lasts for 50 years. not 100% sure though.
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Old 13-07-2011, 20:41   #3 (permalink)
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50 years is for music. For photographs it is: 70 years from the end of the calendar year in which the last remaining author of the work dies.

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Thanks for that Dave
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Old 13-07-2011, 22:10   #5 (permalink)
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Well thanks to both of you. Since I can't trace the original photographer I will refuse to make copies.
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Re: Copyright

Just for interests sake....
(And Hi Guys, LTNS long time no see, I has been busy, system re-build, "lost" the links to here..)

........If this is one of the "Mass produced" Class photographs that you actually paid for at the time, or even if it is a single person shot, being that it was "Paid for", does that not give you "Some" rights as to the copy-write?...

This subject has been discussed recently, in an almost exact replica of this instance, where an old photograph of a school class was requested to be displayed.

(I was taking interest as an amateur, see end of post...)

The conclusion was that if you desire to keep the original for security sake, you are entitled to make a "Backup copy" for your own records.

As long as that particular photograph is not mass-copied for sale or otherwise distribution, because it was "Paid for" at the time, you are entitled to make a backup digital copy or printed copy....

In the discussion that happened, the Pro-Photographer present at the time said that if a copy of one of HIS photographs was used in this way, it would not infringe on his copy-write..... he would grant permission if asked... the client, after all, had originally PAID for the photo?...
However, if it was of intent (By the school) to mass-copy that photo for distribution, he would be rather miffed....Schools apparently have rather a bad reputation for doing this?...

Anyway, what is the position on "Paid for" shots?... am I way off the mark here?...


As regards MY interest....

There has been a request for "Old" photographs by my Sons school.
They wish to make a display of Kids history, and Local history.
I have not received any information on how else these photographs will be used, just the promise that Originals will be returned.....

Originals?... This begs the question, they are making COPIES?... Yes?....
Where will the copies be used and by whom?...

If by supplying photographs it is implied consent that the school may use as they wish or even keep them in a photo library for future use, I have reservations..............

Some of my stuff is quite good, I dont want the school thinking they have a cheep way to raid my photo library here?...

(I have already refused my son unsupervised browsing rights to the family's digital photo collection to transfer stuff to a USB drive... he wanted to take some of my wildlife stuff in as well....)

Call me Marvin if you want (Paranoid android from Hitchhikers) but just how concerned do you get?...

I have been told, so far, to try to get further info from the school... so far, no response....
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Old 17-07-2011, 23:44   #7 (permalink)
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Thank you for an interesting reply Silver Dragon.
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paid for or not the photographer or the company he worked for has copyright.
the company that do schools ( tempest i think) up here pay "photographers" and I use the term loosely as i have heard that the cameras are pre set for them and they are not allowed to change anything............ however cos the photographers are actaully emplyed by the company then copyright belongs to the company not the tog
Unless you are specifically granted rights, paid for or not you have no rights.
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Old 18-07-2011, 23:32   #9 (permalink)
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Thank you Pheona, that too is interesting, especially the bit about the cameras being preset. I expect that means they are preset to fully auto.
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OK, so, for interests sake....
ANYONE, especially the Pro's on here...

If you were to take a "School photograph", say a whole class, what would be your expectations....

Would you expect to retain full copy-write on all work?...

Would it be unreasonable for the school to request you to release rights so they can use the photograph for their own uses, and that to be part of the contract?...

Is that common?...

If you saw your own work used in a display, such as mentioned in the original post, would you either mind or complain?...

And if anyone knows, what are the legal positions to be considered?...

I know copy-write issues have been discussed before, but this interests me, especially with a class photograph that by its very nature is designed to be mass produced for distribution to all those in the photograph.

Oh, and by the way, I refuse to buy the school photographs from my sons schools...
I am no expert, but even I can take a better shot, and as for the 10 a time they seam to think is "Reasonable" for each photograph, Dick Turpin wore a mask....
For 10, I would expect you are also buying the copy-write, but, apparently not.

Additional, I am NOT intending to suggest that all School 'Togs are awful, its just the one local to here.
There are some good School 'Togs out there, who I am sure deserve a good reward for dealing with "Mommys likkle princess" and the stompy hissy fit kid....

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I'm no pro, but you can grant usage rights of a picture without loosing your copyright. You can also sell a copy of the picture and retain your copyright. If the school has used one of your pictures, how have they obtained it?

Personally, if a school used one of my pictures without seeking permission, I would point it out to them, but as to legal issues and contracts, I have better things to worry about. Different if it was a commercial organisation that might make money from the picture.

Buying a picture does not override the copyright of the photographer.

Reading your post I don't think you are telling the whole story here. Sounds to me like you have entered some kind of arrangement with the school. If you have, your terms and conditions should clearly cover all of the areas that you have asked about.
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Thank you Pheona, that too is interesting, especially the bit about the cameras being preset. I expect that means they are preset to fully auto.
I doubt that because if they were there would be no constancy in the exposures which would mean that the processing could not be done on a conveyor belt.
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If the school has used one of your pictures, how have they obtained it?
If that was addressed to me Graham, I refuse to let them use my work as I have a disagreement with how that school is run.

Petty?...
I asked for information on how the school would be using the photographs....
That was two months ago, the school is now closed, and my son has reached the age where he has left to go to his next school.
I got no answer... just my Son was pestered as to why he hadnt bought any photographs in for the end of term....

I have read as much as I can on this site on Copywrite matters, I dont think I understand it enough to say I am fully versed in all of that subject, but, its enough to say that as they ignored my requests, I am either completely wrong to suggest I should be concerned, or they are trying it on....?....

By the way, SOME photographs entered by other parents were used to create and publish an "End of year" type album that was sold to the kids as a memento of their time at that school....
Did they "Gloss over" copywrite issues?...

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