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Old 14-11-2011, 19:28   #1 (permalink)
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Has anyone done this? Was it worthwhile? Adobe are offering a 20% discount on the CS5 upgrade until CS6 comes out in 2012. It will cost around 158.77 to have a disk sent to you or 152.11 for the download - inc VAT.

I seem to recall that CS4 was not well recieved and many said the it was not worth upgrading from CS3, but I'm guessing that there were advances in CS5 that are worth having as I've not seen any moaning about it being a waste of money.

Does anyone have any thoughts?
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Old 14-11-2011, 20:21   #2 (permalink)
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Re: CS3 to CS5

I think it depends on the level and extent of editing you want or need to do. I have CS3 but don't use it. I used to but since I use Lightroom for raw conversion and tweaks I found I wasn't using CS3. Maybe it's also because it takes an age to load up. I was offered Serif Photoplus at a fraction the cost of CS4 or 5 and so Photoshop is now redundant and I have no intention of upgrading.
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Old 14-11-2011, 20:40   #3 (permalink)
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Re: CS3 to CS5

The only way of finding out the difference between CS3 and CS5 is to download the trial version from Adobe.
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Re: CS3 to CS5

I do have CS3 and CS4 and CS4 had some usefull updates but mainly in the Raw converter and The Bridge which is not that useful if you use Lightroom. It was more valuable for me to upgrade LR from 2 to 3. Now CS5 raw is good but again LR3 has all of that (e.g. lens correction). At the time CS5 came out there was a big fuss over Content Aware Fill but I have tried it and it was very poor (seem to be a gimmick) and it was quicker and better to manually clone. I plan to upgrade my CS3 to CS6 when it comes out.

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Old 15-11-2011, 00:26   #5 (permalink)
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Re: CS3 to CS5

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I plan to upgrade my CS3 to CS6 when it comes out.

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Thanks for the info Dave. I suggest that you check out this news item as when CS6 is released the Adobe update policy is changing and unless you already have CS5 you will not be able to upgrade to CS6 - you will have to buy it outright.

http://www.pixalo.com/community/news...tml#post342218

They are offering 20% off the upgrade to CS5 until CS6 comes out in 2012. The download will be 152.11 or the disc in the post will be 158.77. On the Adobe site the price shown for the CS5 upgrade is 190, but the discount is taken off when you put it into your basket.
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Re: CS3 to CS5

I moved to CS5 from CS3.

I found the auto align - for stacking/animating to be good - I don't recall that being in CS3.

Also think the content aware fill works well in most instances, can in some cases remove the need for cloning. (Eg a grass blade over a butterfly wing worked for me earlier in the year).

I suggest you trial it out. Has that upgrade policy been officially announced ? Money grabbers!
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Has that upgrade policy been officially announced ? Money grabbers!
AFAIK - yes. I suspect that it might lead to smaller more frequent updates that might be quite cheap individually, but will give Adobe more money in the long term.

I've just discovered that my onOne software will not work with CS5 and to upgrade that will cost about 150. The pendulum is starting to swing back...
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Eek! That makes it expensive - what does OnOne software do to cost as much as PS to upgrade ?

I guess you really have to ask yourself - is there anything in CS5 that I need. Is there any reason I would want to move to another CS in future ? Essentially 3 upgrades is the same price as a full PS purchase. Maybe if you have everything you need now, you would be fine until the software no longer runs on your OS.
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Re: CS3 to CS5

This is quite a shock. As I have a CS3 and CS4 licence, I had planned to upgrade the CS3 to CS6 and do nothing with the CS4 (probably give it to my son). As I can do over 90% of editing in Lightroom (and using Topaz Plug-ins which do not actually need PS), it does now question the need for PS for photographers. I now only use CS4 for working with Layers and cloning, once these are included in LR, I will have little use for PS. I am now inclined to upgrade my CS4 to CS5.5 and stop at that but keep Lightroom up-to-date.

What do others plan to do in future?
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Eek! That makes it expensive - what does OnOne software do to cost as much as PS to upgrade ?
It is onOne Plug-in Suite 4 - six programmes - Genuine Fractals (will enlarge up to 1000%) - MaskPro - Photo Frame - PhotoTools (over 250 effects that you can stack) PhotoTune (colour tune ans skin tune) and Focal Point (selective focus control) There are also sharpening and other fine tuning tools in the different applications. It used to sell for 400, but I got it for 250. Don't use it as much as I thought I would, but it is handy, and I don't think that I'd want to loose it.

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I guess you really have to ask yourself - is there anything in CS5 that I need.
This is why I posted up. TBH, the free trial periods don't give me enough time to fully explore something like CS5 by the time that you find out where the various existing features have been moved to, so I'm hoping that somone who has actually done it would be in a position to say if there were any really useful new features.

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Is there any reason I would want to move to another CS in future ? Essentially 3 upgrades is the same price as a full PS purchase. Maybe if you have everything you need now, you would be fine until the software no longer runs on your OS.
You can go from CS3 to CS5, so only one upgrade to get to this point.

I'm quite happy with CS3, but as software progresses there are sometimes improvements in the sharpening or noise reduction etc.

I suspect that I'll stick with CS3 at the end of the day, but with the 20% discount now available, I just wondered if it was worth upgrading.
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I moved to CS5 from CS3.

I found the auto align - for stacking/animating to be good - I don't recall that being in CS3.
CS3 has under file a script that does alignment,,,don't know about stacking. I used the alignment alot for same lens different cameras and it worked very well. CS3 was the best version I have used, I can only upgrade to PS4 and I have done that for my raw access to ACR. I left CS3 on the machine and alot of it comes up when I run actions, I selected the filters folder from it moving nothing over. CS3 was a thing of beauty for my mac. CS4 is a dumping ground for a big change of things to come. When the time comes for a change to a newer machine I well go with what ever they have. I have never picked up on light room, I used the beta but I have aperture and it was better so I couldn't get used to it. CS4 will freeze and dosen't support duel processors.,,junk.
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I see you're all slowly coming round to my way of thinking
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I remembered Rob liked it http://www.pixalo.com/community/comp...cs5-44049.html

I also have to say that I do like photomerge - I use this now as well as hugin for panos, works much better than the CS3 version which I could never get a satisfactory result from.

So in summary - things I use now that I don't recall being there in CS3 or not as good.

1) Content Aware Fill
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3) Photo Alignment - for stacking and animations.
4) Photomerge.

Don't use it for HDR so can't comment on that.
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Mmmm. Not making it any easier to decide

I do have LR3, so some of the improvements in ACR I have already got.

Biggest snag now is having to upgrade the onOne software too, making it almost 300 to do them both.
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I have a question now about lightroom - is that not really just Bridge and ACR ?
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I have a question now about lightroom - is that not really just Bridge and ACR ?
No. LR is a digital asset management system as well as a RAW converter. I've not used it since I've had LR, so i don't know if some of the features of LR are in ACR or not.

LR3 has lens profiles that you can apply to images to correct distortion and a range of adjustments that you can apply selectively - such as exposure, fill light etc - and it has a gradient facility, tonal and contrast adjustment by means of curves and spot removal too. It can also track your images and place them in different collections without making more copies of the picture. It is almost an editor, but not quite.
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I have a question now about lightroom - is that not really just Bridge and ACR ?
LR is a lot more than the Bridge and Adobe Raw and has a much easier workflow. You can do almost everything from LR:

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The Raw editing facilities are the same as found in CS5 and the Bridge has some of the Digital Asset management features. One key difference is that the Bridge does not include a database. LR creates a database with all of the EXIF, data, keywords, ratings, editing changes, Thumbnail etc. So I can search all my catalogue of say 20,000 images for images say candid portraits, taken with my 5D2, in Gloucestershire, in the last year. LR will take a fraction of a second to select all of those however complex the search. The Bridge would take days because it does not have a database and has to open and read each file. All editing in LR is non destructive.

CS4 also has photo stacking and image alignment. When I do use photomerge it seems fine on CS4. I am not so convinced about Content Aware Fill of CS5 though I have only tried it on Elements 9 where it made a complete mess. I saw David Rowley demonstrate Content Aware Fill last Monday on CS5 and it also made a complete mess but, as it was to be behind an object to be dropped into the image, it did not matter much. It is difficult to see much advantage in CS5, if you aready have LR3 and CS4. The only advantage is that you might want to upgrade to CS6 sometime.
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Ok - so it sounds like LR has improved since I tried V1, the main improvement being the database I guess and interface with the tools.

I wonder graham how much you use photoshop if you have LR then. What does PS do that LR can not, if LR can edit the images (assume level, curves etc) ? Although ACR has spot removal, gradients, fill light, lens correction. So hence my question of LR being ACR + improved bridge ?

Also - if LR does the job - maybe looking at some of the Topaz tools might be cheaper than OnOne upgrade - you can trial them too.

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LR does not have levels, curves - although it does have a similar tone curve and exposure/recovery/fill/contrast/brightness adjustments etc, layers (unless you buy the onOne plug-in), cloning, or the sheer variety of tools that PS has, or the fine control over the tools. Many people say that you could get by with LR + Elements. I also find that the PS workspace is better than LR where I have to scroll the sidebar a lot to get to the various tools, or keep collapsing and restoring different secctions.

I do find that I am using PS less than I used to, but personally, I would not see LR as a substitute. As I said before, it is almost an editor. I could see Adobe eventually perhaps combining PS and LR. That would be and all-in-one programme.
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LR does have curves and it is different to the curves in PS. In PS when you apply curves it alters the colour which some find annoying. The algorithm is different in LR which maintains the colour balance of mid-tones as you apply the curves. However, you can apply curves to individual colour channels in PS though not something I usually do. It would be misleading to say that LR does not have levels because it suggest that it would be relevant. In fact LR (or Adobe Raw) has a whole range of adjustments to alter the tonal range. All of these are more powerful in that as you change the exposure the pixel values are recalculated form the total Raw data available. It also means that this non -destructive method of editing allows you to apply an exposure brush (similar to dodging and burning) more strongly than you could for dodging and burning and in a non-destructive way. However, this is more an arguement for using Raw rather than LR as all these facilities are contained in Adobe Raw (CS5). Editing in Raw is different to non-Raw editing and does require different techniques and tools but there are considerable advantages.

LR3 is not at all comparable with LR1. I now do 90%+ of editing with LR, Oloneo and Topaz and the latter two can be used directly from LR. All I need PS for is Layers and Cloning and hopefully we may find these on LR soon. The problem is not that CS4 is not as useful to me now but there is not much incentive to upgrade any more as I have yet to identify any features on CS5 that will be of use to me. Even if CS6 has some new useful features it will cost me 300-400 to upgrade from CS4 to CS6 with the new policy.
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Re: CS3 to CS5

ive found that the content aware fill in CS5 quite good especially in panos althou at times it does get a "bit confused" however its certainly a usefull tool Ive got LR2 on my desktop and LR3 on my laptop and after seeing LR3 demo etc i can see if LR ever gets layers it will be alot more appealing however from a marketing point of view cant see it just yet
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Andy, do you think Content Aware Fill is worth 190 just for that feature which as you say gets confused at times because I have yet to establish any other significant photography feature in CS5 to CS4.

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