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Old 31-03-2013, 07:40   #1 (permalink)
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D200+bracketing question

Hi

I saw an interesting tip yesterday...which was this;

When photographing an object use bracketing to select a variety of aperture settings (eg f 4, f5.6, f8 etc) to give different depths of fields in the resulting images.

Is this something I can do with my Nikon D200?

I ve had quick scout at the manual but can't see it atm.

Anyone?




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Old 31-03-2013, 09:42   #2 (permalink)
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Re: D200+bracketing question

I'd say there was two ways of doing this. In manual mode where you would have to change both the aperture and the shutter speed to maintain the exposure, or maybe in shutter priority mode and using the bracketing feature. Logic says that if you have the shutter speed set, any changes in exposure would have to be achieved by changing the aperture. Exposure compensation works like this (and changes the shutter speed if in aperture priority) so I think that the same applies to bracketing.

In both instances the camera should be on a tripod.
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Re: D200+bracketing question

Hi David F, I think you may find this useful.
Using Focus Stacking to Extend Depth of Field
I think it is what you are after and seems to explain it quite well. Charles.
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Re: D200+bracketing question

The quick answer is yes you can do it on the D200 I often use it, it's in the custom menu program also have a look on page 167. Hope this helps a little.
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Re: D200+bracketing question

Hmmm a few to go at there, thanks.

What I perhaps didn't explain n my request (that's night shifts for you) is the you tube clip seemed to suggest using the "continuous "shooting mode but I think that was taken as read anyway.

I'll look into the ideas and links, thanks again.



(Yes I can see you can use it to do the +/- (exp comp) thing but doesn't ' that just make your pictures lighter or darker?)


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The quick answer is yes you can do it on the D200 I often use it, it's in the custom menu program also have a look on page 167. Hope this helps a little.


That looks like it might be it.
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(Yes I can see you can use it to do the +/- (exp comp) thing but doesn't ' that just make your pictures lighter or darker?)


Yes - I was just illustrating the principal, not suggesting that you do this.

The continuous shooting method is a 'cheat' for hand holding and I've done this myself. When you have set the bracketing up you can brace yourself against something solid and fire off 5 or 6 shots very quickly, but using a tripod is best.
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Yes - I was just illustrating the principal, not suggesting that you do this.

The continuous shooting method is a 'cheat' for hand holding and I've done this myself. When you have set the bracketing up you can brace yourself against something solid and fire off 5 or 6 shots very quickly, but using a tripod is best.

I know but cheating seems to be de rigour in photography now.

If you can't beat them join them.


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The quick answer is yes you can do it on the D200 I often use it, it's in the custom menu program also have a look on page 167. Hope this helps a little.

Yes, it changes the aperture but not the speed in compensation... even in prog mode.

So stuff is coming out light to dark.

I just want to alter the d of f.

What haven't I done?


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Yes, it changes the aperture but not the speed in compensation... even in prog mode.
I think you will have to be in aperture priority mode to get the bracketing or exposure compensation to change the shutter speed.

I'm not sure that bracketing is the right way of varying the DoF as its purpose is to give you different exposures of the same subject so you can blend images for HDR or select the best one from the sequence.

Focus stacking is a technique used in macro and is probably best done with a slider to move the camera for this. If you just want to get a greater DoF in 'normal' photographs you are probably better using the hyperfocal distance method.
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I think you will have to be in aperture priority mode to get the bracketing or exposure compensation to change the shutter speed

I ve tried all of them now.

Thought I had anyway.

I ve got to leave it now I'll try again tomorrow and check aperture.

Thanks.lol
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Re: D200+bracketing question

The guy in the video has the camera set to AV (aperture priority) and he manually adjusts the aperture between each shot. It is the only way you can do it.
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The guy in the video has the camera set to AV (aperture priority) and he manually adjusts the aperture between each shot. It is the only way you can do it.


So the answer is no?
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So the answer is no?

WelI, I just spoke to a (very helpful) techie* at Nikon and he says no you can't do it.

Unless the other gentleman can tell me his work around...... bracketing on the D200 JUST enables under/over exposure.

I'm astonished as a) it seems a simplething to sort on the camera b) it wold be so useful!! c) the camera is so thorough otherwise.


Thanks for the replies.





*he was quite impressed with the idea (not even my own!) and was going to suggest it for further models.
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Re: D200+bracketing question

You can do it if you are prepared to work around the under over exposure.

Set shutter priority and aim to get your exposure at the preferred aperture about which you want to work - say f/5.6.
  • Check your ISO and set to say ISO200
  • set your camera to aperture priority and set the aperture to f/5.6
  • Read the shutter speed you need - say 1/500secc (at ISO200)
  • Set your camera to shutter priority and set the shutter speed from 'previous item'
  • Set the camera bracketing to 1.0 f/stop, and say 5 shots, and fire off 5 shots (e.g. with bracket burst)

You will get 5 shots 2 underexposed and 2 overexposed and 1 correctly exposed. However you will also have got a change in the DOF from f/2.8 to f/11. If you can recover a decent picture from the f/2.8 and f/11 exposures then you will have achieved your aim. BUT this is not how to bracket DOF. The correct way is to use the aperture control/ring and change the shutter speed accordingly in order to retain the correct exposure.
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Last edited by grease spot; 06-06-2013 at 23:41. Reason: Mistake in the 4th list item - should have read shutter priority, now corrected.
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You can do it if you are prepared to work around the under over exposure.

Set shutter priority and aim to get your exposure at the preferred aperture about which you want to work - say f/5.6.
  • Check your ISO and set to say ISO200
  • set your camera to aperture priority and set the aperture to f/5.6
  • Read the shutter speed you need - say 1/500secc (at ISO200)
  • Set your camera to aperture priority and set the shutter speed from 'previous item'
  • Set the camera bracketing to 1.0 f/stop, and say 5 shots, and fire off 5 shots (e.g. with bracket burst)

You will get 5 shots 2 underexposed and 2 overexposed and 1 correctly exposed. However you will also have got a change in the DOF from f/2.8 to f/11. If you can recover a decent picture from the f/2.8 and f/11 exposures then you will have achieved your aim. BUT this is not how to bracket DOF. The correct way is to use the aperture control/ring and change the shutter speed accordingly in order to retain the correct exposure.

You (can) do this in Lightroom CS/PSE or whatever?






edit From what I ve seen of LR etc n youtube I'm a bit past caring what the correct way to do photography is. It's gone waaaaaay beyond that IMO.
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You (can) do this in Lightroom CS/PSE or whatever?
So long as your highlights are not blown away by too much overexposure or your shadows lose too much detail from underexposure.

In writing too fast, the 4th item is incorrect - you should set shutter priority, but you probably already sussed that .
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So long as your highlights are not blown away by too much overexposure or your shadows lose too much detail from underexposure.

In writing too fast, the 4th item is incorrect - you should set shutter priority, but you probably already sussed that .

That reallIy IS cheating.


Now I know how you are doing it though, thanks.
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