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Old 01-07-2007, 16:36   #1 (permalink)
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Do you save everything or only your best?

Are you the "Photo Editor from hell" for your own portfolio or do you take the easy way out and just "keep everything"?

Do you think that keeping shots that are less than your best dilutes the overall quality of your portfolio?

I ran across a very insightful and interesting discussion of this topic on a photographer's web site recently. On this site she provides her definition of the differences between:
Snapshots
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Commercial Art and
Journalistic Photography

She also talks about "Shooting from the right side of the brain" - getting past the technical aspects of photography and focusing on the creative.

Her lessons are loaded with photo examples of good vs bad composition and how to tell if a photo is "artistic".

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Take a look and you may find that you see and edit your shots differently afterwards.
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Old 01-07-2007, 16:49   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Do you save everything or only your best?

I think I do both. I don't delete anything, on the grounds that in the future you never know what you can use a shot for. However, I do keep a seperate potfolio of the better stuff.

I only ever show the selected stuff to anyone, so I don't think by keeping the originals on a CD somewhere it is diluting the quality of my portfolio. To the contrary, I think that on occasion, I can resurrect something from what I considered to be a failure into something that is really worthwhile, either by using a new or different processing technique, a mono conversion or just with a different crop, and that actually enhances the quality of my portfolio.
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Old 01-07-2007, 17:00   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Do you save everything or only your best?

I would consider a portfolio to be a selection of better pics often used by a model to help get work. Whereas I would only put a limited number of my photographs forward for competitions etc. I assume that you are asking about what we do with the rest.

I select at various stages. I only delete on Camera if I have obviously done something wrong and I am not pressed to take the next shot. So this might be 1 shot in 200. After transferring pics from my Camera to the hard drive, I initially quickly look at them in the Raw Viewer and delete an average of 1/3. It is not ususally because there is a technical problem but I purposely take several shots/angles and there is little point in keeping those that are clearly inferior. I then more carefully assess the remaining and mark 1, 2 or 3. Those I mark 1, I expect to get a potential competition picture from them and those I mark 2, are just short of this but OK. The rest are marked 3. Less than 5% are marked 1 and another 15% marked 2 so the majority are 3's. I rarely even covert RAW files maked 3 let alone any editing. I convert and edit all the 1's and about half of the 2's.

So I do retain just over half of my original RAW files and I could be more ruthless but storgae is cheap.
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Re: Do you save everything or only your best?

I delete very little in camera, then download to the PC (I shoot in Raw). Later I review what I've taken and weed out the obvious rubbish and then leave it for a day or so and then have a more critical look and decide to keep everything until my HDD is full and then delete what I really should have got rid of in the first place! I save some unto an SD card and then use a digital photoframe to display my work at home until my family beg me to change contents of the card!
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Re: Do you save everything or only your best?

Now download all shots to PC & then use Lightroom to flick through & delete the chaff. Apart from family shots I delete anything that I don't feel I would share on here.
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Re: Do you save everything or only your best?

Never delete in-camera. Rarely delete on PC.

Have an exceedingly low quality threshold, so display a good number of my shots. But if I had a penny for every shot to which I returned months, or even years, later and managed to get something halfway decent..........
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Re: Do you save everything or only your best?

Save all RAW (except the obvious - OOF, lens cap on etc) then convert most to JPG for viewing by all and sundry. As Dabhand said - you never know when you want a particular shot.
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Re: Do you save everything or only your best?

Delete the odd few in camera but nearly always keep everything downloaded even though a good percentage aren't worth keeping.
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Re: Do you save everything or only your best?

I'm a natural born hoarder As Graham says, you never know what use you could make out of any shot anyway well that's my excuse + I'm sticking to it

Of course, I do delete any off the camera which are obvious 'whoopses' (camera slipped etc. ) i.e. not in focus.
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Re: Do you save everything or only your best?

Would be interested to see your thoughts on her "the Art of Editing" comments. And whether or not you think her elements of a good picture are valid.

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Re: Do you save everything or only your best?

The link is already in your 1st post Paul I've had it open in another window, to have a look at + will report back
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Re: Do you save everything or only your best?

I am trying to find a balance. I toss the crap. When I am in the mood, I toss duplicates or ones that just don't do it for me. I need to figure out a better organizational method for storing the good ones and the mediocre ones. (which in my case would take a whole lot more than PS etc to get something great ) I also keep a folder of 'learning' images. For example the other day I was down at the beach, took a bunch of shots of the same things with different white balance settings. Not great shots at all, just keep as a reference for the differences.

I have yet to find the perfect photo organzing software...I use folders.
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Re: Do you save everything or only your best?

I keep, keep, keep till I can't keep anymore . Then I go thru my discs on a rainy day or slow day and re-do them. I find doing that my perceptions have changed and I am able to really weed out. I have a set of originals--set of edited--and a set of ones I have used for something. My problem is my filing system---its a mess. Everytime I look at everything I come up with a new way to file--not good
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Re: Do you save everything or only your best?

Just a word on organising photos - I keep my pics in shot number order (tend to keep each card I filled seperately and folder has 1st shot number and a description). Don't think this part of organisation's that important (and different methods work better for others)!

Then the 'best of the rest' get processed and converted to JPGs as if for uploading to Pixalo (in seperate folder structure that echoes main photo folders). The better ones make it, but I keep them all as it's very quick and easy to then find a processed shot on a particular subject or timeline (and they take up very little space)

3rd stage is to catalogue them and create tags (but this is, again, of lesser importance to finding a shot - it's the 2nd stage that's all important)
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Re: Do you save everything or only your best?

Keep everything except the real rubbish, organised by year, then month and day. An alias for everything (actually a Unix Link) goes into my 'Screensaver' directory and that's what my computers show when they're idle. Recently started a 'Favourite Pictures' directory with an extra set of aliases for what I think is my best stuff.

When I have time, I'm thinking of setting up 'Shoebox' to organise by multiple categories, but I might just go on using aliases. If you use real links, they don't take any extra space on a Mac.

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Hey Paul

First of all, I read Chadwicks tuts completely. In terms of deleting a lot of less than great images, I don't agree for all of the reasons mentioned above, plus in todays digital age, we can store literally hundreds of thousands of images if we are disposed to do so.

Her take on what makes an artistic images was interesting because she took what everyone has said here at one time or another and organized it, in terms of the elements that make an image interesting.

Chadwicks technique in taking an image and then critically evaluating it is, I think, a great help. I am going to try to think about those things before I shoot.

With Adobe bridge and the ability to rank images, one doesn't really need to ruthlessly delete images that may deserve a second look later. Everyone should develop the system that works for them.

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First of all, I read Chadwicks tuts completely.

Her take on what makes an artistic images was interesting because she took what everyone has said here at one time or another and organized it, in terms of the elements that make an image interesting.

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Skip - that is what I was trying to do with this post - get people to read her tuts and comment on her criteria and methodology. I think she did a great job of gathering all the relevant criteria together in a concise logical and useful manner supported by example photos.

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I always wait to see what they look like on the PC, then chuck the really bad like when the cat ran over my leg made me jump and i got a shot of the dogs blurred leg etc and also keep all the originals then save new files for crops, resizes etc.

I am finding though as i progress pics I did a few months ago now look poor in comparrison so I periodically get rid of those too. I have to say my organisation is poor it always has been, even when i used to build websites only I knew what all the file names meant! maybe thats why I never progressed that far

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Occaisonaly delete in Camera. And the odd wrongun gets deleted in PC. After that, the good ones go on Flickr and the best of those get posted here. If I want to share photo's with friends I use Picassa web albums - Easy quick fixes and simple uploading makes it dead handy for wedding and party shots etc.
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Re: Do you save everything or only your best?

I am utterly ruthless and delete about 70% of my photos.

Having said that I take about 2000 per week and would need the computer at the CIA HQ to keep them all.

I also have a large file of "Misc. Photos" where I keep the ones I like that aren't necessarily overly artistic or technically great.

Having been a photographer for 40 years I feel I am gradually learning the craft, I suspect I will be nearly perfect by about 275 years old.
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Like most people here I delete a few images in camera if I know they are definite duds and then go through them on the PC when I get home in Zoombrowser. I delete a good third at this stage through a mixture of out of focus images, ones I just don't like and duplicates where there is one clear winner out of a number of similar shots.

With the remaining shots I tend to leave them in their original folder (by date) as I have a reasonable memory for where I was when, unless the photos were taken at a particular event or outing. In that case, I would make a separate folder and name and date it by month and year.

I am fairly organised and I certainly know where everything is but it could definitely be improved.

I use Picasa2 to help me if I get stuck as to where an image is, and like JamPal, use it to quickly edit (without touching the original) and upload to web albums and share with like minded friends.

Saying that, I don't take hundreds of pictures a day, or even a week sometimes, so it's fairly simplistic. There must be an "ideal" workflow there somewhere!

Anyway, to go back to the original discussion point about how many images are kept, I would say I am fairly ruthless overall.
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