[Pink Fairy]

Came across an unpleasant forum/gallery site today ukexpert.co.uk laying in amongst the t&c lay this little booby-trap
"Please note that expert is building a collection of quality photographs in its photos and videos area. If you upload photos to us please help ensure they get released for viewing by not uploading small cut down versions of photos nor ones with names or other information included on them.

By uploading images and messages and other material to the system you warrant that you own the rights to do so and that you grant 'expert' permanent copyright ownership equal to your own for all materials uploaded.

This includes a permanent right for expert and its associated systems and companies to make use of them in any way they see fit, including but not limited to use in advertising and promotional material. This means you can continue to do as you please with your photos and other materials uploaded but by adding these items to the expert collection/system you are granting expert the right to also do as it pleases with them"

How's that for creating an image library on the cheap? You do the work, they make all the money without even telling you. I suspect most of the users on the mentioned site are totally oblivious to the fact that their work is being sold.

be careful out there

Andy

[Steep]

I suspect it's partly that they are covering themselves legally. If you read the t&cs of any isp for example there's often a clause that grants then copyright over any material transmitted over their networks. I remember many many years ago when compuserve first added such a clause to their terms it created a big stink.

[Pink Fairy]

Originally Posted by Steep

I suspect it's partly that they are covering themselves legally. If you read the t&cs of any isp for example there's often a clause that grants then copyright over any material transmitted over their networks. I remember many many years ago when compuserve first added such a clause to their terms it created a big stink.

If only that were the case. This is worded differently to anything I have seen before (msn for example).... no other site or isp that I have seen has ever demanded TOTAL and UNQUALIFIED use of your images. In any case, why do you think they are asking that images are uploaded at max size without any copyright banners on them?

The clincher came as I did a google images search, finding they have supplied, on a commercial basis, images with copyright to ukexpert.co.uk... you can bet your bottom $ that the photographers are blissfully unaware of the situation.

There's no reason nor excuses for a forum/gallery owner to have any claim on your work.

cheers,
Andy

[CT]

Cheeky bastids!! :roll:

[Matty]

not a good one that is it!

[neos]

If only that were the case. This is worded differently to anything I have seen before (msn for example).... no other site or isp that I have seen has ever demanded TOTAL and UNQUALIFIED use of your images. In any case, why do you think they are asking that images are uploaded at max size without any copyright banners on them?

The clincher came as I did a google images search, finding they have supplied, on a commercial basis, images with copyright to ukexpert.co.uk... you can bet your bottom $ that the photographers are blissfully unaware of the situation.

There's no reason nor excuses for a forum/gallery owner to have any claim on your work.

cheers,
Andy

The bbc do this too, it's totally unacceptable

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Pink Fairy

There's no reason nor excuses for a forum/gallery owner to have any claim on your work.

Absolutely and from what I have seen here their stance is shear profiteering done under a cloaked clause. It would be different if they where asking for use and offering some payment or service in return but this is clearly not the case.

[IanC_UK]

Originally Posted by Pink Fairy

Came across an unpleasant forum/gallery site today ukexpert.co.uk laying in amongst the t&c lay this little booby-trap
"Please note that expert is building a collection of quality photographs in its photos and videos area. If you upload photos to us please help ensure they get released for viewing by not uploading small cut down versions of photos nor ones with names or other information included on them.

By uploading images and messages and other material to the system you warrant that you own the rights to do so and that you grant 'expert' permanent copyright ownership equal to your own for all materials uploaded.

This includes a permanent right for expert and its associated systems and companies to make use of them in any way they see fit, including but not limited to use in advertising and promotional material. This means you can continue to do as you please with your photos and other materials uploaded but by adding these items to the expert collection/system you are granting expert the right to also do as it pleases with them"

How's that for creating an image library on the cheap? You do the work, they make all the money without even telling you. I suspect most of the users on the mentioned site are totally oblivious to the fact that their work is being sold.

be careful out there

Andy

Has a topic been rasied on their forum about this to let the members know ? Would be interesting to know how long the topic remained visible and what comments were made ?

[Pink Fairy]

Originally Posted by Steve

Absolutely and from what I have seen here their stance is shear profiteering done under a cloaked clause. It would be different if they where asking for use and offering some payment or service in return but this is clearly not the case.

If there's one thing I cannot abide is people leaching off the hard work of others like this. The Egg tv commercials come to mind.

Does anyone have a link to the bbc photo t&c? I'm not familiar with their forums and suchlike.


cheers,
Andy

[Pink Fairy]

Originally Posted by IanC_UK

Has a topic been rasied on their forum about this to let the members know ? Would be interesting to know how long the topic remained visible and what comments were made ?

Lol, the site is moderated beyond belief... even after e-mail verification you still have to wait for admin to validate you manually. I have a feeling all posts to the forum section are also delayed until they are cleared.... all this adds up to a site that puts people off from the outset, not too mention the amazingly arrogant domain name.

I e-mailed their Admin (someone called Steve from Ruislip) with my feelings and I was rapidly i.p. banned from the site! Fortunately in the meantime I traced a few of their main photo contributors to warn them.

cheers,
Andy

[IanC_UK]

Cool, sounds like they are a bunch of -insert own abusive phrase-

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Pink Fairy

I e-mailed their Admin (someone called Steve from Ruislip) with my feelings and I was rapidly i.p. banned from the site! Fortunately in the meantime I traced a few of their main photo contributors to warn them.

cheers,
Andy

That alone speaks volumes for their intentions and ways of lining their pockets by doing nothing themselves and praying on the skill and goodwill of others. All under a hidden clause.

That disgusts me !!!

[IanC_UK]

Originally Posted by Steve

That alone speaks volumes for their intentions and ways of lining their pockets by doing nothing themselves and praying on the skill and goodwill of others. All under a hidden clause.

That disgusts me !!!

Me to Steve !

[Matty]

gah and me!

what a bunch of crooks.

gonna look up the bbc thing myself, dont want them having copyright over my images, the ****ers..i pay my licence fee, not lining their pockets any other way

bbc T&C says this:

Contributions to bbc.co.uk
Where you are invited to submit any contribution to bbc.co.uk (including any text, photographs, graphics, video or audio) you agree, by submitting your contribution, to grant the BBC a perpetual, royalty-free, non-exclusive, sub-licenseable right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, play, make available to the public, and exercise all copyright and publicity rights with respect to your contribution worldwide and/or to incorporate your contribution in other works in any media now known or later developed for the full term of any rights that may exist in your contribution, and in accordance with privacy restrictions set out in the BBC's Privacy Policy. If you do not want to grant to the BBC the rights set out above, please do not submit your contribution to bbc.co.uk.

gits.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by EosD

bbc T&C says this:

Contributions to bbc.co.uk
Where you are invited to submit any contribution to bbc.co.uk (including any text, photographs, graphics, video or audio) you agree, by submitting your contribution, to grant the BBC a perpetual, royalty-free, non-exclusive, sub-licenseable right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, play, make available to the public, and exercise all copyright and publicity rights with respect to your contribution worldwide and/or to incorporate your contribution in other works in any media now known or later developed for the full term of any rights that may exist in your contribution, and in accordance with privacy restrictions set out in the BBC's Privacy Policy. If you do not want to grant to the BBC the rights set out above, please do not submit your contribution to bbc.co.uk.

Originally Posted by EosD

gits.

That sums it up perfectly in one word.

I am so glad I have not submitted anything to the "Picture of Britain" thing now. [smilie=f:

And this has given me the first oppotunity to use that smilie legitimately :lol:

[Pink Fairy]

Originally Posted by EosD

gits.

Thanks for that.

That's pretty comprehensive isn't it? Then again, I can't see many uploading decent sized images to them, you could send them some 640x480's ... which isn't even an option at ukexpert, it's big or nothing there.

cheers,
Andy