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Old 04-06-2008, 15:57   #1 (permalink)
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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3055/...f20e5e09_b.jpg

Is this dust already on my 1 month old 40d surly not, never had the lens off the camera sinse i put it on 4 weeks ago and only taken a hand full of shots.
this was one reason i bought this make, i could have gone for the olympus but i know canon was better for other reasons, but this was the buy or not to buy reason for me.. any ideas

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Old 04-06-2008, 16:02   #2 (permalink)
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still trying to post the photo sorry
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Re: dust already

Yes its most likely dust on your sensor.

A simple clean will remove it all, it is likely that if you don't change lenses at all it was there when you bought the camera in the first place.
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Re: dust already

bain i'm sorry to say that but it's normal with canon. i bought Canon 40D three weeks ago and it looked exactly the same. i took it stright away back to shop and asked them to clean it. after cleaning i still have 3-4 visible dust fragments but they are easy to errase in photoshop. and remember that you'll see them only when using F11-32. if you are going to do macro photography you'll see it on every single photo. but if you do portraits, landscape, architecture, wildlife and so on you won't see them.
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Re: dust already

I have had my 40d for a few months now and frequently change the lens. I know that I should not be saying this but I have been lucky so far.

You may want to look at the "dust data" function that the 40d has in one of the menu settings. I have never used it but I assume that it there to help in cases like this.
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Re: dust already

Had my 40D for about 4 months, loads of lens changes and no dust.

Don't know of any of my mates Canons coming like that, but hey who knows.

Maybe a time to learn how to clean the sensor, and get over the fear.

Luckily I still have none in my 40D, no stuck or hot pixels either
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Re: dust already

It's difficult to tell at this magnification, but I don't think that most of the debris is dust - it looks like oil splatter with a 'doughnut' shape.

I had the same problem when I first got my 30D, and I put it down to over-zealous lubrication of the shutter mechanism at the factory.

It's easy to remove, but you'll have to use a wet cleaning method such as Copperhill. After a while the problem will go away, but it is a bit annoying!
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Re: dust already

thanks.
you know it really narks me when i turn on the camera I see shining stars, oh lovley shiny stars on my lcd Screen say "Cleaning sensor" WHOS THE MUG HERE , Item not sold as discibed i think, and why should i spend all day in photoshop getting rid of black specs on my photos, instead i should be enjoying the photos. i can understand if i had it year of what ever and continuosly changed lenses but i dont Camera going back asap.
this rant was for me guys, getting it of me chest

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Re: dust already

Dust is a fact of life unfortunately, you just have to get used to cleaning the sensor occasionally. Just like dusting the house
It's not surprising there is some there from new, as I don't think that you can assemble things in a totally dust free environment. To be honest the sensor cleaner does a damn good job, my 40D has been in some dreadfully dusty nasty places when taking cycling shots & I don'd need to clean it as often as the 20D, only twice so far.
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Re: dust already

The Canon auto sensor cleaning system (allegedly) doesn't work too well anyway, but no built-in cleaning system will remove oil spray (if that's what it is). As Whipspeed says, sensor dust is something you have to deal with from time to time on all DSLRs, and cleaning the sensor only takes a few minutes. If you return the camera and get a replacement, or even another model, you'll still have to clean the sensor after a while.
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Re: dust already

3 Canon D-SLRs here and not had to clean any of the sensors ever. The 10D must be a good 5 years old and still no issue there.

I accept that all D-SLRs will get dust on the sensor over time but I think it's a bit unfair to single out Canon for criticism.
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Re: dust already

i dont think i was singling out the canon thats the camera i have!.
now i know i would have to clean the sensor at some time i did my research before i bought a camera but to have it only 4 weeks and already having to clean the sensor is beyond belief, it's basicly been in the box, ok took some shots but not a lot.

put it this way if i had bought a car with a unique petrol filtering system and after 50 miles the car started to splutter and cough becuase the filter wasn't working i would not except it as , "well you know this happens "excuse ,i have a canon cleaning system on the camera and EXPECT it to work, after all i am the consumer and sick of being put in the box of, the brits never complain "it's not british", and stiff upper lip ] and all that.
i saved and saved to buy this Camera, and i expect all the functions to work properly
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The Canon auto sensor cleaning system (allegedly) doesn't work too well anyway, but no built-in cleaning system will remove oil spray (if that's what it is). As Whipspeed says, sensor dust is something you have to deal with from time to time on all DSLRs, and cleaning the sensor only takes a few minutes. If you return the camera and get a replacement, or even another model, you'll still have to clean the sensor after a while.
i have to say it works wonders on my 400D and i notice a huge difference on the 30D which doesnt have the cleaning sensor.
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Re: dust already

That's good to hear, Fi - I've heard/read mixed reports. It's unlikely to remove 'sticky' dust, though, so you still have to get the Brillo pad out occasionally.
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Re: dust already

I can remember someone quoting a camera technician stating that more dust tended to enter the camera (and so find it's way onto the sensor) via the battery and storage card ports than from changing lenses. Was a while back and it may be that situation has changed.

Have to admit that I have been one of the lucky ones (and it undoubtedly varies in the individual camera) and the 350D isn't too bad - have cleaned it once in about 6 months.

My Sigma has a removeable dustscreen (so called, although it's actually the IR filter) which traps most of the larger dust 'bunnies' - but as it doesn't have an antialias filter stuck on the front of the sensor, extra care needs to be taken as it's a 'naked' sensor (the filter in other cameras is pretty sturdy and will easily take cleaning - only prob I've ever heard was someone who used a lens cloth to clean their sensor )

As regards auto sensor cleaners in cameras: you have oil filters in cars which 'clean' the oil but still the oil will eventually get dirty. Sensors will still get dirty - the autoclean hopefully makes it necessary less often!
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You can get paranoid with the dust on the sensor, or not. If you do, you'll go grazy sooner or later, mostly very soon. I clean the sensor with Sensor Swabs and Eclipse fluid when needed. Haven't done any cleaning in the past year... When you change your lens just remember to do it in a clean enviroment with the power turned off.
In the old times with the film cameras...well we didn't mind the dust too much. There was nothing you couldn't fix in the darkroom.
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Re: dust already

My (new) 5D was filthy within 2 weeks of purchase. Just plucking up the funds to get the Arctic Butterfly SD800 kit so that I'll have brushes for all three sensors.

I'll probably also get some FF sized swabs as well.

Oh and I did read a blog a while ago about some press 'tog using lighter fluid to clean sensors
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When you change your lens just remember to do it in a clean enviroment with the power turned off.
I'll go along with the power off but clean environment? I'd take half the pics I do if that was the case as I'm forever changing: 300mm to wide to macro! I do take a bit of care and have got the whole process down to a fine art taking minumum amount of time and exposure
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For dry cleaning I used to use a fine nylon brush (Daler-Rowney SY21) but I've recently starting using a SensorKlear pen which seems to work very well, and is extremely simple which suits me.

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It's good to know.
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no way will i be cleaning it myself, uhuh. aint gonna happen, i konw me far too well to be trusted with cleaning the internal organs of my camera. the dust bunnies will stay until i can afford to get it cleaned at a shop!
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I guess you are unlucky, I did not clean my EOS 20D for the first 12 months but now clean it about every 6 months. I change lenses very frequently but cleaning (including wet cleaning) is so easy and takes only 2 or 3 minutes.

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have to agree 4 weeks is a bit extreme... but is it not just possible the camera was sold to and used by someone else b4 bain got it? That may account for the build up in such an apparently short time...
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have to agree 4 weeks is a bit extreme... but is it not just possible the camera was sold to and used by someone else b4 bain got it? That may account for the build up in such an apparently short time...
don't think so. mine was send to me originaly packed (i mean originaly) and it was dirty like hell (sensor, not camera) . i took it stright away to shop and they took care of it. now i'm going to buy something that i could use by myself. don't trust anyone (i'm an x-files fan) - i'll be cleaning it by myself.
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hi I bought the camers straight from the shop counter { jessops } i'm beginning to think i should have bought it online.
i dont know if this has any bearing on this i was looking as some shots i did in the first week at Bridlington , A cloudy day the shots i have of the cloudy sky show no signs of dust even at 100 % crop, some shot were at f16 1/250 , the example above was taken at f 22 and above.
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Hi. You may all be doing this already but I always find that pointing the camera downwards whenever you change lens helps to avoid dust getting attached to your sensor. Gravity is the devil!
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hi I bought the camers straight from the shop counter { jessops }
tbh I don't think that matters - if anything I'd say it's more likely it'd been sold and returned.

It's not like we would be able to tell after all.

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Nay problems like that with Nikon, when cleaning has been needed i use sensor wand, pec*pads, fluid & sensorklear pen all got from micro-tools.com, makes it all very easy[that suits me] & does a great job.
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It's not like we would be able to tell after all.
Isn't there a bit of software floating around the 'Net that allows you to access the Canon frame counter? That'd tell you the actual image count
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update, just phoned jessops the guy said he would exchange it for me with no problems, going first thing in the morning straight of night shift
Seemed a bit, over helpfull in you know what i mean, ,, ooh conspricy theory [ did men really walk on the moon].
anyway just glad to be getting it sorted
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